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Any other SM's with DS that have issues with Bitchy Mamas?
  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    My DS8 is all boy, rambunctious- the works. We do have behavior issues but the only time we've ever had problems or had problems brought up is by Moms who only have daughters. I tend to get very defensive because even though DS8 is maybe immature for his age (Aren't ALL boys??), he's super smart, reads at a 5th grade level & holds conversations just fine. He gets hyper & instead of crying when his feelings are hurt, he just gets mad. I'm wondering if anyone else can relate? I need a pickmeup. It's bad enough that I avoid MANY outtings, etc that I know Mamas w/only girls will be there so I don't have to listen to snotty fucking remarks. Leave my kid alone, he's a boy!!!

    For example: the Family Reunion. He's a rough & tough boy but when he wanted to hold one of the IL's small dogs, they flipped out. So when she left, I let him hold the dog & he sat so carefully like he was holding a newborn. Broke my heart.
  • episcopal
    Posts: 1,402Member
    The words "hyper" and "mad" stand out for me.  You might want to talk this over with your DS's pediatrician.  I'm wondering if your DS might have ADD.
  • sanityseekersanityseeker
    Posts: 2,362Member
    Sounds like my ds, he shuts down completely when mad or hurt, never sits still, but does amazing in school with mo behavior issues. Was he crazy as a baby/toddler? Mine made me damn near lose my mind daily until he was about 5-6 , he's 9 now.
    Biting's excellent. It's like kissing. Only there's a winner.
    "Dobby never meant to kill! Dobby only meant to maim or seriously injure.” -Dobby
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  • pennypenny
    Posts: 800Member
    Sounds like a boy to me. I avoid a lot of moms altogether b/c so many of them throw around snotty and catty remarks - grow up. I'm so grateful that most of my pre-kid friends became parents the same time I did.
  • pdxmama
    Posts: 1,470Member
    Before I had kids I never understood that phrase "he's all boy", in fact it irritated the shit out of me. Then I had one of each... And I GOT it! Boys are wired differently than girls. Surely, some of it might be environmental but not all of it. My ds7 and dd4 have been raised the same way, exposed to the same things, etc. But they are so frigging different. Example; I got them matching teddy bears for Valentines Day. Bears are exactly the same. You can hold them up next to each other and there's no question who's is who's. Dd's is perfect with his little red bow around his neck and he lives on her bed with all her other "babies". Ds's on the other hand... Red bow is now a ninja headband, it's all mangy looking from all of it's adventures. (Being hit by RC cars, doing jumps off the slide in one of his trucks, you name it!) Boys are just... BOYS! I really wouldn't be to worried about it @NoDramaMama. He sounds like most of the 8 year old boys I know.
  • scholarmom4
    Posts: 547Member
    I have a ds4 and three girls!! He is alll boy!!!! So loud and full of energy and detstructive to beat the band!! I know how you feel and you are so not alone!! I don't expect him to act like his sister's!! He is a boy and it is proven that boys react, feel and need to be treated differently!! People just need to realize that and get over expecting them to be something they aren't!! :)
  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    @episcopal, no not at all. Because ADD/ADHD can't be 'turned off'. He gets hyper, but like I said, he holds conversations, sits for LONG periods of time reading, will sit & play checkers/card games for hours, etc.  Maybe 'excited' would be a better word.

    Does anyone have any tips for handling such experiences? @
    sanityseeker, he was so busy!! As a baby, he just had places to go & things with wheels to run all over LOL.
  • sanityseekersanityseeker
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    People without boys just won't get it, period. Just like my bff didn't understand my dd til she had a girl.
    Biting's excellent. It's like kissing. Only there's a winner.
    "Dobby never meant to kill! Dobby only meant to maim or seriously injure.” -Dobby
    Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.
  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    @scholarmom4 -, Sorry I didn't see your post (I hate being ignored haha) & I agree with you. Thanks sanityseeker, it's so frustrating because the guys in our family just love him to pieces. I just hate that grown women cop an attitude because they expect him to sit & respond like a girl. I have 2 girls as well and boys are different. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just nice knowing I'm not alone :)

  • GypsyMamaGypsyMama
    Posts: 614Member
    School, church, and most social events are structured in a way that is easier for girls. When my twin boys were kids social gatherings were always challenging. Here are some things we did to help them and us have more fun. Fuck everyone else:)

    Take something for him to do and something he can do with other kids if there are any there. Example: his bike, a soccer ball and collapsible net, (there are even tiny Nerf sets that are safe indoors, a paddle ball, a parachute army guy, marbles. a small tent (you would be amazed how even little girls are attracted to a tent).

    And take something quiet too in case that is all that will work at the event.

    Let him choose one active personal thing and his quiet thing and you decide on the best group thing.

    Structure your involvement around him. Have a set time to leave and let him know what that is. When he's flailing about or reaches a crescendo energy or emotion wise take a break with him. Three laps around the building, up to the intersection and back. Do this alone with him. Don't let anyone else come because he needs to decompress.

    At family reunions and stuff I always got a hotel and they weren't allowed to sleep anywhere but at the hotel and we would be in our room by 830 pm if at all possible. Because if they weren't getting their sleep they were over the top out of control. And always get a hotel with a pool. For obvious reasons.

    It is extra challenging having a rambunctious boy. I'm amazed at the superiority that parents with less energetic children feel and they believe they are responsible for that by their superior parenting abilities. And parents of rambunctious children judge themselves SO harshly and think they are failures because their kids are like this. Both perspectives are Bullshit!! Kids come with their own personalities and we get the gift as parents to walk beside them and help them figure out how to get along in society with their given personality.
  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    GypsyMamaYOU, my dear, are a lifesaver!!! Those are fantastic ideas that I intend on putting to good use. THANK YOU!!!
  • stinkersmommystinkersmommy
    Posts: 1,322Member
    Thank you ladies I was convinced that there was something wrong wrong with my hit the ground running all boy lil man and you guys just described him to a T and made me realize why he loves his Step Grandma (mom of 2 boys) so much !! She gets him better than I do sometimes and has been telling me he is just a boy and I am crazy for thinking he is ADHD.
  • PurpleFlowersPurpleFlowers
    Posts: 5,621Member
    Both my boys were/are like this. Both are ADHD too. Some days I want to crawl in a hole and wait for them to grow up and get the hell out. lol
    Stay away from my chocolate and nobody gets hurt!

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  • canadamom
    Posts: 867Member
    The biggest issue with the ADD/ADHD kids is sometimes not the attention span issue but the impulse control issue.  My DS acted before he thought ALL the time when mad/angry.  He was on meds for about 1.5 years and had behaviour counselling to help himlearn not to lash out and get violent when angry - it wasn't behaviour he saw at home either.

    He is 14 now and has learned an aweful lot of control.  Army Cadets in the lat 2 years has made a huge difference in his level of self discipline.

    But boys are completely different!!  I had one of each, but the girl first so it was quite a culture shock  for me when this one came!!
  • boring_nameboring_name
    Posts: 667Member

    @episcopal, no not at all. Because ADD/ADHD can't be 'turned off'. He gets hyper, but like I said, he holds conversations, sits for LONG periods of time reading, will sit & play checkers/card games for hours, etc.  Maybe 'excited' would be a better word.

    Does anyone have any tips for handling such experiences? @
    sanityseeker, he was so busy!! As a baby, he just had places to go & things with wheels to run all over LOL.



    @nodramamama  My DS has ADD and can still sit for long time periods, hold long involved conversations, is extremely polite etc... He still annoys the crap out of a lot of people because when he does get overstimulated he has a tough time coming down from it. 
    DH is similar. It's a hyperfocus aspect of their personality. They CAN focus and concentrate IF the subject/activity is interesting to them. If it's not... won't hold interest for long and the behavior issues happen. 

    DS is 11. He is not medicated for the ADD. We have worked with his school for accommodations that work for him and at home he is held to the same behavior standards that our other 3 were. No cruel/mean things like hitting, breaking other peoples stuff etc. As for friends.. he typically prefers to play with kids a year or two younger because they are still interested in riding bikes and playing 'army'. Boys are different from girls for sure.. and my ADD "wildman" is totally different from my oldest DS. 
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  • etherieletheriel
    Posts: 713Member

    Just FYI...many kids with ADHD, my own DS10 included, CAN focus and sit still for long periods of time IF they find something very interesting. My DS can be bouncing off the walls batshit crazy 90% of the time, but will read an interesting book for hours at a time. Most mommas can tell though that something is "just not right" with their ADHD kiddo way before having them tested.

    I had 2 girls before I had my son. Boys are completely different from girls in many ways and many structured activities are more well-suited for girls than boys, especially school.

    @GypsyMama has some great ideas. I'd also add that playing an outdoor team sport might be good for him as well. Football, soccer, and baseball are all great ways for boys to burn off energy, learn to cooperate with others, and learn to make good decisions in a structured environment. Coaches can also often be good strong male role models too.

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  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    I agree with a lot of what you're all saying, but I must admit that in my personal opinion, I believe ADD/ADHD to be extremely over diagnosed (not to be rude) but even if someone did tell me he was (which I & his father still say he isn't, he's a boy) I would choose not to medicate either way. I grew up with boys & he isn't any different than any other healthy, rambunctious boy. My issue is dealing with other Moms who have no experience with small boys & are bitchy with my young son.
  • _bogart__bogart_
    Posts: 43Member
    Just think of how lucky you are to have an advetrueous spirit to run through life with. ! You go girl and enjoy him , they dont last long.
  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    Thank you _bogart_!! I should have picked a better title I guess. Something more like "How do you handle mean, nasty bitchy hags who think they can talk mean to an "active" son?" I have absolutely zero desire to change anything about him or his personality, just need some tips is all, to handle other Moms or maybe help him with 'people' skills.
  • _bogart__bogart_
    Posts: 43Member
    ug , i hear that the other moms are the ones who need to realize , yup he is all boy and a good one at that!

    I have an ALL BOY 9 yr old to , he is seriously mr everywhere man. it is hard to deal with sometimes and have had teachers tell me i need to drug him . um no you need to teach. no not expect every kid to be cookie cutter. he is just a boy whom is interested in life.
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  • boring_nameboring_name
    Posts: 667Member
    I debated long and hard on whether to have my son evaluated for ADD and held off until he was in the 4th grade when his inattentiveness was interfering with his education. We chose not to medicate but have the diagnosis in affect at school so accommodations can be made to fit HIS needs over him trying to be a "cookie cutter kid". ADD doesn't always have to be a 'bad' thing.. it's just a thing. 

    I agree that the other parents need to just cut the crap and realize no kid is perfect. If they don't know your kid they shouldn't make any comment at all! It's just plain rude! 

    Edit: Guess I could add I was not suggesting your DS has ADD/ADHD or that you need to have him evaluated. That is a personal decision to be made within your family only. 
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  • _bogart__bogart_
    Posts: 43Member
    OW I need to add also , I do have family members with ADD/ADHD and my son does nothave it , he has been evaluated because i was doubting myself . i am not against medicating , as it helps the truely afflicted.
  • GypsyMamaGypsyMama
    Posts: 614Member
    These busy, energetic boys are not terrorizing, they are exploring the world at a high speed from four dimensions. Do your boys dismantle everything they get their hands on? Well think about it. You have to know how to take things apart in order to know how to put them back together. My boys dismantled everything in their path until they were 13 and finally started putting things back together.

    I do believe there is ADD/ADHD but I would say 98% of boys are diagnosed to force them to a school system that is not appropriate for their learning needs. Getting the dx isn't bad in one way because it gets federal law behind you to force the school to teach them properly. An example: the younger twin had hypoglycemia in 5th grade. He needed to eat a snack a couple of times in the school day. He was putting it in his back pack and disrupting the class when he was getting it. The teachers rebelled and called us in. After some debate I suggested they let him sit in the back of the room so the other kids wouldn't see him. This alarmed them. They wanted this kid within arms reach so they could discipline him not at the back of the room wreaking havoc beyond their reach! They covered this by saying it would be unsafe to put a desk in the walk space. I said let him sit on the floor. Much arguing took place but I prevailed. A few days went by and I asked him how it was going. He said that they were making him sit under the table in the back of the room. I was PISSED! So I made an unannounced visit to the school the next day. I stood looking through the window and there is my son laying on his belly under the table, eating his snack and doing his written assignment! He spent the rest of fifth grade under the table. It was his BEST year grade wise.

    If you get the dx please don't medicate for the school! If you need to do it so you'll survive parenting him then maybe but don't do it because the school says you must. You will have some fighting on your hands but with ADD law behind you, you can carve out what he needs and you know that better than anyone. And before you medicate try diet. Eliminate dyes, preservatives, sugar, maybe gluten, only complex carbs.

    Btw my boys both have learning disabilities: perceptual communicative disorder. We refused to have them tested for attention deficit. Neither could read until the 4th grade when I discovered they liked cabelas catalogs. I called cabelas and told them the story and they sent me 20 old catalogs. That's how they learned to read. The under the table kid is now a journeyman electrician and the other one is a master mechanic with his own business.

  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,159Member
    @GypsyMama  I enjoyed your story, especially the end!  What a great mom you are to teach them to read in a way that catered to their interests!  You're an inspiration!
  • GypsyMamaGypsyMama
    Posts: 614Member
    Thanks @TorturedbyTWINS :) your babies are adorable! There has been nothing easy about being my boys' mom but I have to say its been marvelously entertaining.
  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
    Posts: 134Member
    I agree GypsyMama & great story!! Your boys are lucky to have you.

  • GypsyMamaGypsyMama
    Posts: 614Member
    Lol this is ONE success story in the long and dramatic relationship. That son is also not speaking to me right now. That sucks but I know it will happen when it happens.
  • elsiegal
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    I know how you feel, too. I feel so left out when friends make plans and disclude me because my seven year old can't sit quiet enough for them. He is bright, creative and energetic and likes to make loud noises when playing. As long as he is involved in something interesting he is really fun to have around. When he gets bored, he starts getting into things he shouldn't for attention and that makes others upset. I let him use my kindle, take his cars and other things to keep busy. parents who don't have an active boy have no idea how awesome, and exhausting! they can be.
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  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
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    @MammaTeeRoll, he is completely calm & 'Normal' when there aren't other kids around. It's like when kids that he's not used to (Sisters, Cousins, 2 close friends etc) he gets all hyper & excited.
  • ChristyJChristyJ
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    Sounds like a normal kid who loves other kids to me.  My kid is the definition of over active, and as long as he is being respectful and not destructive, it's their problem, not yours.
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  • irishlassirishlass
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    Sounds like my son!! Judgey people will judge! My son jumped in a puddle at the bus stop for like 10mins straight. An old lady with her granddaughter stared disapprovingly the whole time. Meh, he was having fun!
    "Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter." - Dr. Seuss
  • TottyCake
    Posts: 937Member
    My DS7 I'd the same. I hate it when parents judge. @Irishlass my son loves splashing in puddles and usually I'm jumping with him! I definitely get a lot of judgemental looks. And get stared at by uptight mum's cause I have piercings and pink hair. It's ridiculous! I'm still a good mummy!
  • irishlassirishlass
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    High five @ronansmum! People are dumb!
    "Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter." - Dr. Seuss
  • EverydaysablessingEverydaysablessing
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    I will take my DS4.5's energy any day of the week. He is intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate, imaginative and all around wonderful.  So he has (what seems like) more energy than other kids his age?  We just figure out ways to utilize the energy.  I bought an on the floor/mat type of game that plugs into the tv.....when it's rainy and icky out he can jump and dance his little heart out.  When we go to the library, we have to make 3 laps around the gym first.  You will get used to what works for you!  Parenting is nothing but trial and error right? 
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  • NoDramaMamaNoDramaMama
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    Not as much as I look at them like if they don't shut the fuck up, I'm going to punch them in the throat!! Well, in my head anyways.
  • popomomof3
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    The nastiest things have been said by my own mother. She actually told me i should start beating him. She often asks my daughter (5 yrs) to come over but will tell me that son (4 yrs) will have to make it another time because he is too much. My son melts my heart and i wouldnt change a thing about him. There is definitely a special bond between mommies with boys who are all boy
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  • popomomof3
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    Exactly. Needless to say, we dont see her much. Shes soooo judgemental..i cant beleive i came from her body