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Evil Pitbulls should be banned?
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member

    This is Knucklehead.  You can say it's all "how they were raised" but we didn't raise him.  We adopted him as a 2 year old from the shelter.  If you're are FOR banning the breed I would like to know why? 

    Do you think there is a better solution like allowing the breed but only if it is spayed or neutered and perhaps banning future breeding of particular breeds unless they meet strict guidelines?  Do pitbulls make you nervous?  Would you allow your kids to play at my house if I have two of these aggressive breed dogs?

    Am I putting my children at danger in your opinion by allowing dogs like this around them?

     

  • Luvlyssa
    Posts: 2,843Member
    ZOMG HE'S GOING TO EAT YOUR BABIES NAOW! ...

    what a gorgeous petbull... I loved my pit/chow/rottie mix. never a more loving dog.

    It IS the parenting... I know you adopted him at 2 years. I adopted mine at 3 years... and he was my furbaby.

    He had a rough start. when i got him he'd NEVER been inside. never been on stairs. his former fucker... I mean owner said he'd been chained to a tree since he was a pup.

    they're amazingly loyal and sweet animals.
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  • mamaofboysmamaofboys
    Posts: 387Member
    While I have met some sweet pitbulls, I have also met some that scare the ever living shit outta me. I friend just had to put 2 down because they were brutally fighting each other, and they were raised in a very loving, non-violent household. As for letting my children be around pitbulls, truthfully it makes me very nervous.
    That being said, I don't judge people for having them, I just choose not to have them in my house.
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  • LoveLove
    Posts: 12,964Administrator, Moderator
    ScaryMommy is full of pit-lovers. (I am one of them.)

    I don't allow my children to be alone with ANY large breed dogs, regardless of breed reputation. That having been said, every one we've ever had was sweeter than cotton candy, and great with kids. 

    Safety first--ALWAYS. But breed discrimination is just as wrong as any other kind of discrimination, IMO. If you are not or can not be a responsible pet owner, that punishment should be on you, not on the animal.
    And if there IS an unsafe animal, the rest of that breed shouldn't be punished for the actions of any individual pet or owner.

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  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    I respect your opinion @Mamaofboys, so you have a house ban agaisnt them.  lol  :-) 
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @Love Any???  So your kids will never have the Lassie or Rin Tin Tin experience?  No Old Yeller?  :-(
  • momofdbbmomofdbb
    Posts: 9,027Member
    Ok I was about to come on here fighting !!!!! >:) Sorry pet peeve of mine ,lol , don't judge a dog only on its breed. 
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  • LoveLove
    Posts: 12,964Administrator, Moderator
    TorturedbyTWINS said:

    @Love Any???  So your kids will never have the Lassie or Rin Tin Tin experience?  No Old Yeller?  :-(



    LOL We have Akitas. (Akitas have also been targeted by breed discrimination in some areas) 
    Lily is two, and is weighing in at around 120 pounds right now. So, even though I'd trust her with MY life... I'm not comfortable letting Spawn play with her in the yard without any supervision. SHE might think she's playing, but she could do some serious damage not even meaning to. Does that make sense?

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  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member

    Hey I've had a good pit and a bad one, so I can support both sides of this.  I just think SM is a good way to get a feeling for what others are thinking.  I worry that pits may be banned like they were in Denver.  It scares me. 

  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
    Posts: 1,887Member
    I Don't think any breed should be banned, period. And I'm partial to how they are raised, but really it comes down to the owner. If the dog isn't socialized or handled right, of course the dogs going to be a giant douche canoe. I'm pissed how the military deals with dogs on base, I can understand the vaccines, micro chipping, collar tag, and leash rules. But outright banning Pitts, Dobermans, and a few other species is pretty screwed up. The biggest biters here are Spaniels, Chows, and Poodles...

      I own to very well trained German Shepherds, they stay within 15 meters of my wife, daughter or I when they aren't on a leash. But I still follow the leash ordnance, even though they listen to every command. Growing up we owned 20 Huskies and Malamutes, we had one real doucher when it showed it, but he became the best dog we had. He was a year and half old Malamute, would snarl, growl, and false charge at every one, but once he realized we weren't trying to harm him he was so loving. How they are raised is a part of their personality, but its also the owner who makes a dog loyal and loving. 
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • LilbitLilbit
    Posts: 1,410Member
    I haven't owned a lot of dogs but the ones I have are small dogs. That being said regarding dogs I have always said its not the dog its the owner responsible for their behavior, but my MIL has two big dogs (boxer rott mixes I think) and she spoils the ever loving crap out of them! no violence towards them from anyone, no one is even so much as mean to those dogs and they get treated better than the average person. but the bigger of the two dogs scares the living Shit out of me! She out of nowhere will freak out and go nuts on the other dog, has even broke skin, for no reason at all. One minute just standing there the next full blow attack DH had to pull her off of the other dog. Where that comes from I have no idea, MIL has had them both since they were puppies, but she did get them from the pound so I do not know if that has something to do with it. 

    After seeing this dog and how unpredictible she can be, my rule is no dog that I can not physically control by myself. Pitts (although BEAUTIFUL) fit into that category. 
  • mamaofboysmamaofboys
    Posts: 387Member
    I completely agree with you @Love. Any dog can turn or be violent, but it doesn't mean the whole breed is bad.


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  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @Love that's perfect.  I wouldn't allow kids unsupervised with any animal.  It's just not a good idea.  The kids could hurt the poor Akita!  :-)
  • OnmylastnerveOnmylastnerve
    Posts: 1,660Member
    My neighbors have pitbulls, dd wanted to see the "puppies" and the dogs first instincts were to roll over so we could pet their bellies, ya... So aggressive (sarcastic font).
    not my chair, not my problem
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member

    Ours are a little too people friendly.  They might welcome an intruder in with wiggling butts and happy licks.  They have no concept of protecting the house.  They just look scary if you don't know better.

  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member

    @MammaTeeRoll does that mean Paris Hilton is banned?  :-D

     

  • KellynnKellynn
    Posts: 1,968Member
    I would never have any type of pit bull breed in my house or around my kids. If you are comfortable with them, that is your choice. I'm not. There have been far too many stories of kids getting mauled and killed by this breed for me to be ok with having them around. I feel that no matter how they are raised, they have that violent tendency inside them; they were bred to be killers. It's instinctual.
  • BugsMomma
    Posts: 174Member
    my pit mix is my dd's guardian. he is fiercely protective of her and has been that way since she was still in utero. I've had him since he was 3 days old. my full blooded pit is my baby. you will never come across a sweeter pittie. (partial I know) I've had him since about 8 weeks ago and rescued him from potential fighting. his parents were both 100lb plus fighting dogs. they are my babysitters and I trust them completely. that's what the were bred to do. loyal family dogs. too bad some ass hat screwed that up by fighting the breed. my third dog is a great Dane/German shepherd mix. they're all males too and I've never had problems with them not getting along.
  • Luvlyssa
    Posts: 2,843Member
    I fucking HATE small dogs. in *my* experience they're much more moody and more likely to bite than bigger dogs. My room mate has a Pomeranian and that fucker is a son of a bitch.  barks constantly and is aggressive. growls and snarls at anyone he doesnt know lives here. I live here and he barks at *me*.

    I typically love dogs... this one drives me UP THE WALL. I won't ever hurt him... but there are days I want to punt him. I won't. but I day dream about it.

    and his owner? spoils him rotten. but that dog is the alpha compared to his owner. owner does EVERYTHING he thinks the dog wants... treats constantly. dog sleeps where he wants. dog goes with his owner EVERY WHERE. and if he can't go? (say to a political rally?) he barks the entire.fucking.time.

    (rant over)
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  • SammieSammie
    Posts: 7,357Administrator, Moderator
    Hey now!! Let's not turn this into a small dog bashing thread. That's breed discrimination too. ;)

    I've got a chihuahua so friendly that she's not even loyal. She doesn't bark EVER. A complete stranger can walk right into this house and she greets them like she's known them her entire life. People have offered to buy her and breed her countless times. No and no. She's ours and no babies. She's my husband's other daughter.

    Now we also have a toy fox terrier mix. He's a total ass. Barks his head off at any and all strangers, other animals, etc. He is all bark and no bite tho. He was my first baby. He's been with me through everything. He's spoiled rotten, incredibly loved and I'm SO glad he's mine because I truly believe that nobody else would understand his quirkiness like we do.

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  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @CKLW So you don't support breed banning but you think that all of them are killers instinctually? 
  • missmama5missmama5
    Posts: 3,580Member

    I used to get kind of nervous around bigger dogs when my pipsqueak was wee, but now I know I've taught him how to behave properly around animals so I'm less anxious. I agree with what everyone is saying, any dog can be aggressive, I just think that with a bigger dog, it's much harder to pull them off a child if they DO attack or play too hard than, say, a chihuahua. All dogs can snap if agitated enough so really, who can say? Pit bulls have a lot of strength in those beautiful dog bodies, and it's too much for me. But that doesn't mean they should be banned.


    My Jack Russell Terrier can be very aggressive if she is in the wrong mood. We adopted her a year ago and she has had a few behavioral issues. She is a big baby, and the hugest mama suck ever, but don't anyone dare fuck with me LOL all 5 lbs of her wuld be on your ass like spandex! She is snappy, growls and snarls sometimes. She has never attacked anyone, but once she bit my husband when he lunged at me across our bed and woke her from where she was asleep at my side. He got mad but I told him....what would you have had her do if you had been someone else??? She didn't know it was him! Plus I could punt her off the balcony easily if she were to ever try to go bonkers on anyone. I can't say the same if it was a 100 lb dog...I'm not in good enough shape for that kind of a workout. My cats are more aggressive than most dogs I've ever met. As we speak, my 8 week old kitten is trying to eat my arm. Ouch!

  • BugsMomma
    Posts: 174Member
    when I got my baby I read all the books on pits. never have 2 males in the house, never leave them alone with small animals, etc. after reading all the "information" I did the c
  • BugsMomma
    Posts: 174Member
    complete opposite. my mom has stated she wishes my dogs can be with my dd at all times so nothing bad will happen. if Timmy had a pit bull instead of lassie, his ass wouldn't have fallen in the well.
  • Katescrazymom
    Posts: 1,848Member
    Breed bans are just uneducated and pointless. The idiots will just move on to another breed. No, children should not be left alone with large dogs. Yes, some breeds have been bred for more protective or aggressive traits, so they need some training and leadership.
    The most vicious dogs *as breeds* I've known are shelties and cocker spaniels. I've known good dogs of each breed and dogs of other breeds with bad attitudes, but if I was going to discriminate....I worked in a pet store for 5-6 years, you'd think people would leave their nasty dogs at home.
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member

    The worlds most aggressive dog breeds:

    Chow Chows                                 Jack Russells

    Papillions                                       Giant Schnauzers

    Old English Sheepdogs                 Cocker Spaniels

    Lhasa Apsos                                  Pekingese

    Rottweilers                                     Chihuahuas

    Poodles                                          Daschunds

    and of course, our lovely Pitbulls

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • missmama5missmama5
    Posts: 3,580Member
    See? Jack Russells. 5-12 lbs of pure adrenaline. Sometimes I look at her and wonder who her dealer is and when she is meeting with him. Can anyone spell SPEED? :p I've met pit bulls WAAAAAAAAY calmer and nicer than my little dumbass. She literally vibrates. Love her to death though.
  • GingersnapGingersnap
    Posts: 7,292Member
    Honestly, pit bulls do make me a bit nervous *but* we own a Husky, and she scares the crap out of one of my neighbors (who owns small dogs and thinks mine is too closely related to wolves). Meh. It might just be a matter of taste, or that the media has really colored my views. I don't support dog bans. I think all dogs should be handled with some caution. Even a small dog (or a rooster, for that matter) can seriously injure a child. 

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  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
    Posts: 1,887Member
    Chows are the meanest fucking dogs, ever, period, I have yet to meet a Chow that wasn't a cunt.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @BugsMomma are your males fixed though?  That makes a huge difference.  It isn't a good idea to keep dogs of the same sex in the same household if they aren't fixed.  It can lead to dominance issues.  However, there's always exceptions to the rule.  I'm glad yours are sweethearts!
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @FoulMouthedSailor I hate to agree with you but I do...  Anyone have a nice pure Chow Chow that can defend them?  I worked at a shelter for a year and never came across a nice one.  Its so bad that I will steer away from adopting a pup if they have blue on their tongues.  Well, that and I just don't particularly like the other things chows have to offer, like heavy coats, and lots of drool. 
  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
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    @TorturedbyTWINS All Spitzs breed dogs, Huskies, Akitas, Chows, all the Nordic Hunden breeds can have the splotchy tongs, and even some not Spitzs can get them, Dw had a heeler growing up that had it. But we lived in Minnesota he was the odd dog out, he wasn't built for the weather but he was an awesome dog.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @Missmama5  Jack Russells are on drugs nonstop.  I don't know how you do it.  At the shelter there was one we nicknamed "Rerun" because he would keep getting adopted and each time he came back it was a new horror story.  He ate his way out of a kennel and THROUGH a bathroom wall... then proceeded to tear up the carpet while he was digging and chewing at the front door at one persons house (during their 8 hour shift).  Another one couldn't get him to stop swimming in her pool and barking nonstop, and another said he wouldn't stop playing with the kids and knocking them over stealing toys.  He was more than a handful.  Kuddos to you for not killing you lil psycho.  Oh and Rerun did eventually find a home.  He became a service dog to a man in a wheelchair.  He had plenty of energy to pick up things for him all day long.
  • CanadianMamaCanadianMama
    Posts: 9,775Administrator, Moderator
    I love pit bulls, every single one I have met has been sweet as pie (unlike the chiuhua's which have all been assholes). I won't let Rylee approach any dog she doesn't know without consent of the owner, regardless of size or breed. I hate these bans, they are discriminating without cause (German Shephards have attacked people too, and yet they're okay?). It's all in the training of both the dog and the child, that's how you stop these incidents, not by banning a whole breed.

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  • BugsMomma
    Posts: 174Member
    @torturedbytwins 1 is intact and 2 are neutered. ages are 10, 7 and 2. I've been a vet tech for 3 years and know all the issues having balls can create (both human and canine :) ) but I also don't allow my boys to get away with bad behavior. I understand that my boys have to be breed ambassadors and be the complete opposite of what the public portrays. too many people take the news for face value. they only show what they want you to see and what will increase ratings.
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member
    @BugsMomma, sorry didn't mean to be preaching to the choir!  Knuckle is a breed ambassador as well and I take him with me everywhere to help people see the good side of this breed and ultimately hope that someone will consider saving one from the shelter even if they are a pitbull.  Our shelters are full of these poor dogs.  Hopefully we save lives by changing opinions.
  • KellynnKellynn
    Posts: 1,968Member
    @TorturedbyTWINS, I think everyone has the right to own what kind of breed they want. I choose not to own or be around pits, I think they are killers by instinct. I think they can be extremely unpredictable, and I just would never take the chance to have them around me or my kids. I saw the most dangerous dogs list. Do any of them have the strength in their jaws to bite down and strangle/ tear apart another dog or baby or child that a pit bull does? That's what they have been bred for. It scares me to death. Every single story of a baby/ child that has been mauled has always had a person saying, oh, this dog was just the most gentle ever, I don't know what got into them.
  • jezebeldelilahjezebeldelilah
    Posts: 338Member
    Pits are wonderful. They just have to be told who is the boss. If u let any dog take control of your home you will have issues. My rat terrier is a bigger bitch than my pit (whom I lost in a break up) ever was. No breeds should be banned but people should know the character of the breed they are adopting. Pits need a strong leader where as a lab doesn't give a shit who's in control. It really comes down to responsible parenting to the animal. I mean you let your human kids know who's boss so u should let your animal ones know it as well. I support screening families before allowing adoption or purchase and educating them on the character of the breed they are getting.
  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
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    @CanadianMama every species of dog is capable of mauling a human, from a Pomeranian to Rhodesian Ridgeback, and most of the time they are provoked or corned. All dogs came from wolves, even those little bastard jack russels, but they still retain that defensive instinct.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • KellynnKellynn
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    Can you show me the last time a Pomeranian or cocker spaniel mauled someone to death? Why do pit bulls get such a bad rap, then?
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
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    @CKLW  I think the main reason why someone would say that the dog was "  just the most gentle ever, I don't know what got into them"  is for self protection.  If you had a dog that was a little aggressive and you had your doubts you'd sound like a jackass for allowing your child to be around a dog that was a little unpredictable at times.  This could also open you up for child endangerment charges or neglect.  Not many people are going to say, "Ya well she had been growling and getting possesive recently because she had puppies and I wasn't watching my kid while he went over and got in her face."  Ect. 

    However, yes, pitbulls can KILL you.  I do doubt very strongly that there is never any sign of aggression before that.  Scientists have linked adrenaline to higher levels of aggression.  So if there is an excitable dog that is very dominant it could be a problem in any breed.   

    Also, they have not been bred to be people aggressive.  They were originally bred to antagonize bulls while people castrated them or prepared them for slaughter. 

  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
    Posts: 1,887Member
    @CKLW Cocker Spaniels can maul little kids and adults if they get out of hand. They are second on the list of maulings on our base, chows being first, and I've seen the damage a Spaniel can do. A Mauling and a death are two separate things. And Pitts get a bad rap because of Xenophobia, they don't understand the dog enough to know they can be gentle.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • missmama5missmama5
    Posts: 3,580Member
    @TorturedbyTWINS Bella is actually a really calm JRT (for her breed, that is, she's still insane), it's freaky. Right now she is laying at my feet. The key to Jacks (or any dog, for that mattter) is to get them out for TONS of exercise! She is a little shit in the mornings, running around chasing the 4 cats, but as soon as Kiddo is at school we go for a 45 minute power walk and she is perfect all day. Sometimes I walk her twice. I should also mention we live in a third floor 2 bedroom apartment :D She's more-so crazy in oddball ways.....barking at lights and the windshield wipers and stuff. She's def a spaz. And LOL @ Rerun! I'm glad the eccentric little bugger found a home. They are not a breed for the weak at heart....
  • Katescrazymom
    Posts: 1,848Member
    No Chow, but I have a shar-pei who is an ass. Not smart, and a classic bully, mean and tough until challenged, then a whiney wuss. If he wasn't ours, I wouldn't like him at all.
    But he is, and I love the wrinkled moron. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him with ds or other people's kids, though.
    I've known some nasty Jack Russels, too. Lots of terriers can be nippy and hyper active, not a good combo.
    Herding dogs can be nippy,too.
    Some people think huskies are more wolf like and wilder then other breeds.
    Many breeds have the strength to maul a child to death. And the locking jaw has been disproven, hasn't it?
    There should be a test before you get a dog. Or a baby.
  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
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    And thats another thing that causes frustration in most dogs, they don't get enough attention, because most dogs need a cause or a job. They don't get enough mental and physical exercise which causes boredom, abundance of energy and frustration. People don't do enough research into the requirements for the dogs they get, and they end up out of hand and the owner being at fault. I take my dogs running in the morning, usually a 5k run and some disc throwing or squirrel chasing, and they calm down. Every dog needs a job, every dog needs to spend their energy or they get bored and reckless.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
    Posts: 1,141Member

    The following dogs were
    responsible for killing one human each during these twenty years: The
    Bullmastiff, Cheasapeake Bay Retriever, West Highland Terrier, Japanese Hunting
    Dog, Newfoundland, Coonhound, Sheepdog, Rhodesian Ridgeback and cocker Spaniel.

    http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/30137/pets/which_dog_breeds_are_more_likely_to_kill_people.html

    There you have it, a cocker spaniel killed somebody!  That's insane, but possible.  Lock up the toy breeds too!

  • momofdbbmomofdbb
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    Hey !!!!!!! I loved my Chow-Chows !!! They were sweet and loved DS and DD. They did get into a few scuffs between each other but never aggressive to the kids. We didn't leave them alone in the room with the dogs though, just common sence.  They also loved cats.........as snacks. So we had too keep an eye out when we walked. They would not let anyone hurt the kids or me. 
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  • missmama5missmama5
    Posts: 3,580Member
    @FoulMouthedSailor it's insane how many people buy dogs and don't take them outside ever. Just because you have a fenced yard doesn't mean your dog is getting nearly enough exercise or stimulation. If you can't be pissed to play fetch or tog of war or go for nice long walks, don't get a dog of ANY breed. That's like having kids and never taking them to a playground. They NEED a LOT!
  • DaBOMB
    Posts: 275Member
    We have a great dog. Medium sized rescue. Some sort of shepherd mix. He's a good boy but neurotic and exciteable. My son is bigger, 10 yrs old. But I would not have turned my back and left the boy and dog alone for a second if he were a baby. Not that I don't trust my pup. Accidents happen. And any dog will bite. Even the sweetest most loving dog will bite. Big dogs, little dogs... doesn't matter. Responsible dog owners understand that our furbabies aren't humans and sometimes communicate in ways that aren't ok. Pups lack language. So... its not a trust issue. When someone with a small child visits I keep our pup on a leash because it helps him stay calm. And I keep him close. Cause he could easily accidentally do some damage. And he's a good boy!
  • BugsMomma
    Posts: 174Member
    @cklw here's your articles:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/09/local/me-34015

    http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/savage_beagles_terrorize_east_end_FpN3hlz90Jee9rKgTI8VEN

    http://www.2keller.com/news/chihuahua-attacks-boy-in-springfield-township-in-20081030.cfm

    http://m.hollywoodlife.com/2012/04/23/baby-dead-dog-attacked/

    http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/apr/28/first-birthday-ends-tragedy-when-family-dog-attack/

    http://www.nowpublic.com/health/baby-mauled-death-dog-attack-wales



  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
    Posts: 1,887Member
    @momofdbb I think thats awesome, because its going against the breed stereotype. But I left Dd with the dogs in the same room playing when she was 2-3, they might nip at her heels a bit but thats from the herding instinct but no harm done. They always set up a defensive perimeter when some one or something new came into the area.

    @missmama5 I learned the hard way with the two I had now, I didn't pay attention to them for a couple weeks and they dug most of the yard up and our patio furniture was non existent afterword. They still get the occasional case of chewing on boots and shoes, but it might happen once every two years.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
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