Creative Ways to Collect Child Support
  • ChristyJChristyJ
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    I found this article on MSN about a creative way a bounty hunter got a Dad to go back to his home state so he could face the courts for child support.  Quite inventive I thought.


    http://now.msn.com/now/0705-jennifer-aniston-ruse.aspx

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  • LeverActionMommyLeverActionMommy
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    Pssh my dd3 biological father has lived less then 10 mins from us her entire life he has been paying child support for a year and just stopped in April. Hope he likes jail
    "Sometimes things happen for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you're stupid, and you make bad decisions."
  • BellaBefanaBellaBefana
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    The IRS...they don't much like dead beat dad's!!!
    Bite me, cupcake!
  • gamommiegamommie
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    Down here the DMV wont renew your license if you owe child support.
  • etherieletheriel
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    The IRS...they don't much like dead beat dad's!!!



    Too bad my XH refuses to work. The IRS can't garnish if you don't pay taxes. Some child support sure would be nice. :(
    If I'm not supposed to do it, how come I can?
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    Yeah, my ex doesn't' work.   And even when he did, he never filed taxes, not until we were married and I did it so we could get a refund (lost 2 years' of refunds to pay his back taxes!).   And he doesn't drive so no license to suspend.  The only reason I am getting anything is because I begged his parents.  He had lied and told them he was giving me money.  They believed him for years, finally I printed out all the info from the attorney general's office showing the payment history and arrears and then they were all "Oh, we had no idea".  Since they support him and pay for his apartment and everything (and enable him to not have to work) it only seemed reasonable to me that they help, and so that's where I get my child support payments.   Sad.  But I'm glad they finally started paying evne though there is still a ton past due and they are $$$$ people who could just pay it all off right now.
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  • BlessieBlessie
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    etheriel said:

    The IRS...they don't much like dead beat dad's!!!



    Too bad my XH refuses to work. The IRS can't garnish if you don't pay taxes. Some child support sure would be nice. :(






    Meeee tooooo.
  • Not_hisAnymoreNot_hisAnymore
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    They just filed the paperwork to garnish my x's paycheck for his regularly ordered support plus an additional $400 a month for his arranges. Paperwork has also been filed to swipe his tax refunds both state and federal if he ever files again. The next to go will be his license, both drivers and professional. Then placing a lien on his property and finally jail. Ya think it would just be easier to pay the support and avoid all of dat shit?
  • LoveLove
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    Down here the DMV wont renew your license if you owe child support.


    And it's not just your DRIVER's license, either. Also, CC licence, hunting license, etc. <--that's what bit my X in the ass LOL He went to get his Sportsman's license (hunting and fishing combined) and couldn't. So he borrowed $ from his parents to pay his child support catch-up. Nice to know the priorities, huh?

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  • Not_hisAnymoreNot_hisAnymore
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    @Love yup same here, except my x hasn't had to borrow any money cuz nothings been suspended.....yet. Pissah is that he HAS the money, yet refuses to pay the back support and if I hadn't filed with child support enforcement I'd still be waiting for a payment.
  • WillileeWillilee
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    I wonder if we can hire that guy to track down DHXW. She would fall for anything if he was good-looking and well-dressed. That bitch ain't ever going to pay a dime. NEVAH EVAH. However, I hear that you cannot get your PASSPORT renewed if you are in arrears more than $2500 in CS. Can't WAIT for Miss Hoity-Toity, MY-JOB-REQUIRES-ME-TO-TRAVEL-OVERSEAS-A-GREAT-DEAL to get that passport renewal shot down. BAHHAHAAAA
  • KiinuKiinu
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    No issues with CS here, that's done through wage garnishing for me by the state. But getting him to pay half the medical? Like pulling TEETH I tell you. I have not gotten a single reimbursement in 8months. 8-| He hasn't seen ourson in a year either...

    I realize that sounds a bit frivolous. My sons medical co-pays, special 'food', and gas+tolls+parking to his specialists costs me over $600/month. And I carry the insurance, all he is supposed to do is pay CS and half of the uninsured medical.
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    I think so much depends on the state you live in.  Texas doesn't do shit.  Really.  We got letters over and over for years that they were going to start garnishing CS for DD but they never did it!  And for my oldest DS they "couldn't find" his father.  Funny, cuz I knew exactly where he was and told them over and over.  He was working for many of those years as an aircraft mechanic making excellent money, not "under the table", but they didn't do squat.   They write threatening letters about suspending licenses blah blah blah but they rarely seem to ever DO anything and it's very frustrating.   If I hadn't guilt tripped my ex ILs into paying I'd be screwed.
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  • KiinuKiinu
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    @Charlotte_Sometimes That's awful! Mass does plenty, and quickly. Doesn't even matter what the amount is, if you miss 6wks in a row they suspend your license.

    DH had lots of trouble getting his CS for his DDs set up through DOR while he was working for a company based out of FL though, they don't handle support orders there well I guess.
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    Kiinu said:

    @Charlotte_Sometimes That's awful! Mass does plenty, and quickly. Doesn't even matter what the amount is, if you miss 6wks in a row they suspend your license.

    DH had lots of trouble getting his CS for his DDs set up through DOR while he was working for a company based out of FL though, they don't handle support orders there well I guess.



    My mother has been telling me for years how Massachusetts does everything better, faster, first, and with more common sense.  Like the Canada of the US. LOL.  I mean really, it does seem like Mass is pretty progressive and just has their shit together overall, from a Texan's POV anyway.   DW and I wanted to get married there but Iowa was cheaper and closer (we are a same-sex couple if that isn't obvious).

      Drives me crazy, all the bitching here about people "on welfare" when Texas does such a bad job of collecting child support which would obviously reduce the welfare burden, duh!  Don't mean to get off topic, sorry!

    Every divorced parent I know here has trouble collecting CS and it's so ridiculous.  One of my good friends has an ex that doesn't pay but went on to have 2 babies with his new wife (that he cheated with while married to my friend), and then he inherited a bunch of money from his Grandmother when she died, and the state took it ALL for arrears and he had a cow, called my friend up screaming about how she "took his inheritance", and it was like 15k or something and still didn't cover all he owed.  He whines to my friend that he cannot pay because he wants to be a SAHM dad.  Really.  He's a teacher, BTW.  Or was, until his wife had the most recent baby.

    My father always paid on time but that's the kind of guy he was, and my mom doesn't realize how lucky she was to get it consistently all those years, when I wasn't getting any from my ex she just couldn't understand why and thought that a phone call to the Attorney General's office would fix it. 




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  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    Oh, I almost forgot!  What I did to finally get some money coming this way, was to go online to the AG's website and report that my ex was working for his parents. They are business owners.

    I didn't know for sure if he was, but I knew he'd done so in the past, so I reported this and gave all their business info as his "employer".  They had not believed me in the past when I told them he hadn't been sending me any money but I am assuming they got some sort of letter, as his "employer", about having to garnish and how much and so forth because next thing you know they were telling me "Oh, we had no idea he hasn't paid in years, sorry!"  So at least the AG helped somewhat, or I am guessing anyway.   I did that at the same time as when I sent them printouts as to how much he owed.  I will never know for sure if that's what happened but I figured it wouldn't hurt, of course this won't work for everyone, but just wanted to share.


    >:)
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  • etherieletheriel
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    I'm in Texas as well and my ex is refusing to pay any child support. He even moved out of state and refuses to work to avoid it. It really pisses me off that the OAG isn't doing anything about it. I receive food stamps and Medicaid for my kids and have to sign a piece of paper every time that says I give my permission to the OAG to go after child support. I've given them all the info they need. We even had a court date that he didn't show up for last September. The OAG rep said they were going to officially serve him notice of the next court date and if he didn't show up they would go to Louisiana and arrest him. That hasn't happened yet. I've received 1 child support payment in the last 3 years and that's only because he was stupid enough to file joint taxes with his new GF.
    If I'm not supposed to do it, how come I can?
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    @etherial   --- they LIE at the OAG's office.  They tell you what they think you want to hear to shut you up for a while. The only people I've ever known to get anywhere were people who called nonstop and wrote letters non stop and by then it's another full time job, harassing the OAG's office to maybe get some action from them.  Pathetic, just pathetic. 
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  • etherieletheriel
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    So...you're saying I should start harassing them? It's summer and I can't find a job that would even cover child care costs so I have nothing better to do. LOL
    If I'm not supposed to do it, how come I can?
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    etheriel said:

    So...you're saying I should start harassing them? It's summer and I can't find a job that would even cover child care costs so I have nothing better to do. LOL



    Can't hurt. :)  Squeaky wheel and all that.
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    "Screw you guys! I'm going home." Eric Cartman
  • KiinuKiinu
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    etheriel said:

    I'm in Texas as well and my ex is refusing to pay any child support. He even moved out of state and refuses to work to avoid it. It really pisses me off that the OAG isn't doing anything about it. I receive food stamps and Medicaid for my kids and have to sign a piece of paper every time that says I give my permission to the OAG to go after child support. I've given them all the info they need. We even had a court date that he didn't show up for last September. The OAG rep said they were going to officially serve him notice of the next court date and if he didn't show up they would go to Louisiana and arrest him. That hasn't happened yet. I've received 1 child support payment in the last 3 years and that's only because he was stupid enough to file joint taxes with his new GF.



    If you know where he is working can't you just submit the info to your local DOR office? They can garnish him from any state as long as you have an active order, it might take a bit to track him  but if he's not working under the table they should be able to find him and just take the money straight from his employer.
  • etherieletheriel
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    @Kiinu The problem is that he refuses to work. They can't garnish what isn't there. :(
    If I'm not supposed to do it, how come I can?
  • KiinuKiinu
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    @etheriel what a bastard. I'm sorry.
  • TottyCake
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    My exh took off to WA and finds under the table jobs to avoid child support for ds8 that he hasn't had anything to do with 7 years. Utah says that it's WA job to go after him. I just want my 134 a month! And 10000+ in arrears!
  • etherieletheriel
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    @RonansMum I know how you feel. I should be getting $302/ month (for 3 kids !?!?!?!?) and he's got about $9000 in arrears. At least TX acknowledges that it's their job to go after him. They just won't. And I'm almost positive that since I got a single payment back in May from the IRS garnishing his GF's tax return it will only delay the process that much more.
    If I'm not supposed to do it, how come I can?
  • fotofreak
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    I work at a car dealership and we just got paperwork from the State of North Dakota that anyone owing child support gets a lien (or another lien) placed on their title by the state. 

    I can't imagine the nightmare this will cause when those people start trading in those vehicles with the extra liens - its hard enough to get the banks to send us a lien card for the bank loan. If the state is involved we'll NEVER get them!

    Maybe other states have this as well but I've not dealt with it before. Our dealership is in Minnesota but we are on the border so we sell lots of vehicles to ND Residents.

    IT says it will also be adding liens to Real Estate too.  I'll be curious to see how well it actually works and if they collect more CS.

    www.childsupportnd.com  - it is a public site searchable by any one at any time.  If anyone is interested.

  • cleo1974
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    Hi, I am new here...and my story is kind of long but bear with me. I have a complicated but apparently not an unusual situation. I have not 1 but 2 deadbeats that owe HUGE amounts of back child support. The first one owes over $60,000 for 1 child and the second one owes over $34,000 for 2 children. Both of them were court ordered to pay 'X' number of dollars for child support each month and also court ordered to carry insurance on the children. And even though I have worked full time (up until a couple years ago when my disability got the best of me) and at times even worked multiple jobs, I have always been on some sort of welfare...foodstamps, housing, medicaid, etc...because I was not recieving child support and therefore I financially needed it and qualified. I completely agree with the welfare debt vs dead beat parent issue and it needs to be stratigically, seriously, and strictly addressed...by state governments as well as federal government and courts. I can honestly say that had I been getting my child support, not only would I have been over the income limits to qualify, but I would not have needed it. I am so tired of listening to people bellyache about the government deficit and how it is due to welfare recipients...I want to start (if no one else has already) a group of lobbyists to get child support rules updated and enforcement options and requirements improved, but I really feel that this needs to be done at a federal level. And considering that the funding that provides the foodstamps, housing, and medicaid all come down from federal funds and then are dispersed by the state, then the federal government really does need to re-examine the civil rights of the deadbeat parent and the civil rights of the child. Courts have ruled that if a spouse withholds money from the other spouse as a means of power or control then it is abuse. Wouldn't that mean then, that if an absent parent withholds money from a child based on refusing to pay then he/she could and should be found guilty of child abuse? New rules need to be established to close up the gaps and loop holes these dead beats manage to find and use. Failure to pay child support by means of refusal to work for a ligitimate employer should and needs to be looked at by the courts as a serious form of child neglect. It is the child that loses out on a normal and stable childhood compared to children in homes with both biological parents.

    My situation is much like others on this site...I have (the second one) an ex that refuses to work. And I quote from his lips to my ears "he and (his gf) have an arrangement" that he stays home (they have NO children) and takes care of the housework and "supervises" his 30 yr old disabled brother (the brother works and goes to a special school, he has a form of aspergers along with some other disabilities that do not require constant supervision, but does require monitoring) and my ex does computer work from home for "trade". In the meantime, he is and can only be court ordered to pay the minimal requirement because of the courts have to base it on that he could work fulltime at minimum wage. When I asked why they don't court order him to get a job, the reply was "we can't force him to work, that would be a civil rights violation". In the meantime, his gf that he has this "arrangement" with makes somewhere between $50,000-$60,000 a year, all the property is in her name, his brother gets disability each month (somewhere around $800), and he is getting unreported income and trade that I can not prove. My son just informed me that they are now moving into a house and let it slip that he wants to call his dad the day after some new XBox game comes out to see if his dad likes it, and yet, my son who is almost 17 has never had a brand new play system...he had a PS2 that my friend gave to him a couple years ago that finally broke a few months back. My understanding is that they just bought a new car too. Her parents are loaded and apparently are willing to  "help" them with whatever they need or want...including legal and financial.

    Case in point, a few years back, (2009 I think) my state issued a warrant for his arrest for failure to pay childsupport. I was told that they were unable to locate him. I was pissed off one day (it was a saturday morning and I was pissed because my piece of shit car was broke down again) and so I got on the internet (which I had for college along with the computer that was school issued) and started searching for him, his gf, her parents, I searched for probably about an hour and found an address that he was using for whatever purpose...I called the local police department in the town I found him in (it just so happened to be a suburb of Ft. Worth, TX) and gave the officer all the information I had... the amount he owed, the warrant info, his address I had found, his gf's name, his gf's parent's names, and I specifically told her that I wanted an officer to locate my ex and arrest him. She said she would have some officers go to the location and check it out. They went and knocked on the door and when she called me back to update me she informed me that the officers could hear someone inside, but that no one answered the door-imagine that! Even the officer said she was not surprised by that. Then she says...but someone did call shortly after that to ask why the police were at his "relative's home"... the officer said that she knew too that it was probably a bunch of bs, but that all she could do at that point was inform the man (it just so happened to be my ex that called) that he had a warrant and that he needed to resolve it by 5pm the following Monday or she would have officers back at his door to bring him in. Apparently, he finally (after 8 years of no contact) calls my child support enforcement office at which time they told him he would have to pay a minimum of $2000 to make the warrant go away and that if he missed another payment the warrant would be re-issued and he would have to pay more to make it go away. Of course, his gf's daddy paid the $2000, but my ex (or rather his gf as per their "arrangement") has paid it majority of the time since. So my advice based on my personal experience is A) don't be afraid to push the issue or get involved in the pursuit (from a distance and always communicate with your child support case worker before you do anything) B) Think outside the box! I didn't just search for him, I searched for his gf (and her info) and her family too. If nothing else, i embarrassed and humiliated him into paying...(or in this case convincing his gf to pay it) but hey, whatever works right? At the moment he is required to pay his monthly plus $25 towards the arrearages which amount to over $34,000. (At that rate it will take him 113 years to pay off his past due amount.) He keeps crying to me that he can't work without a license...both the case worker and myself have told him...you don't need a license to work... take a taxi, bus, bike, train, walk, run, commute, whatever means necessary to get yourself to and from work, 2 feet and a heartbeat, hell, I know people that have less than 2 feet, but they have the heartbeat and therefore they work... I also informed him that when I first left him, I didn't have a car or a license. I walked to one job and rode my bike to the other all while still taking care of 3 children ALL under the age of 5. If I could do it with 3 kids in tow, then he can damn well do it with a 30 year old disabled person that only needs some monitoring. I am pretty sure any child under the age of 12 (especially ones with ADHD) need constant supervision. In fact, my first born had/has a few mental and emotional issues that required constant supervision even at 18. I guess my point is that where there is a will there is a way...and I told him just that too!

    As for the first ex... he is finally on federal probation for failure to pay. That only took almost 17 years. My daughter was a senior in high school when he was finally brought in front of a judge. He got 5 years probation. Now that she is over eighteen and graduated, the federal courts revised his payment obligation to $100 per month... that is on a $60,000 plus debt. Umm, if my math is correct, then that means it will take him approximately 50 years for him to pay it off. Seriously?!?!?!?! He is a 38 year old recovering meth and alcohol addict... how long do we really think he is gonna live? I am suppose to feel "sorry" for him because he can't financially support the 5 more children he chose to have knowing that he had this child support racking up...umm, duh! He was a slippery one though... everytime I found him (yes, me...not child support enforcement) he would disappear within days. I think the longest he stayed put after I found him one time was 9 days. I found him the last time and let child support enforcement know, they had finally issued a federal warrant and sent the US Marshalls after him...I found him in a church newsletter announcing his recent marriage... ha! My thoughts...Congratulations on your recent nuptials, I hope you enjoyed spending your honeymoon in jail waiting to see a federal judge! The problem there was that he did work under the table and was self employed most of the time or he worked for his mom's new hubby under the table. But because it was too hard to get the federal warrant issued due to a bunch of red-tape and bs, the state had no authority or means to send the US Marshalls earlier to get him. Although, come to find out (after the federal hearing) he was at one point arrested and brought back to this state, was seen by a judge (not federal) and was told by the judge he had to pay $500 to get out of jail...his boss (at that time) paid his $500 bail, bought him a bus ticket back to his state, and then apparently, my ex just upped and disappeared...again. Maybe if someone had talked to me before that hearing, the judge might have handled the bail differently. Oh well, just another case that "slipped through the cracks"...time to seal those cracks up tighter!

  • cleo1974
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    Holy crap...that was longer than I thought or realized! Sorry!
  • WebosMama
    Posts: 265Member

    My sister used to work for a law firm in Florida that was contracted by the state to go after dead beat dads.  The state figured it was cheaper to pay for the lawyers and get the child support for the moms than to pay for the food stamps and welfare.  Great theory, problem was it took years for the cases to reach her.  Then she had to prove paternity.  Then she could get a judgement and start garnishing wages provided the dads worked.


    That sounds a little sexist - she went after dead beat moms as well.

  • RedHeadMamaNCRedHeadMamaNC
    Posts: 165Member
    My ex refuses to pay, makes a thousand bucks a week (under the table) and has zero bills other than his cell. He doesn't drive and doesn't mind jail, but my state does zero enforcement. It sucks. I make less than two hundred dollars a week. I suppose karma is a bitch, but that doesn't help keep the kid fed and clothed.
  • Kenb
    Posts: 84Member
    my ex dosent pay child support for our three either! dead beat as bum!!! I revoked his right to have access to my kids and he cant make any decisions regarding them either! The following titles mother, father, dad, mom, mommy, daddy are earned when you are supporting and raising your kids. not given just because you laid down, had sex, and procreated a child! BOOM!!!
  • ChristyJChristyJ
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    My Step Sister always said there is a difference between a Father and Dad and she was very proud to call my Father and Dad by the same name.  Actually, she always called him Joe, but I understand the sentiment.
    Imperfect and proud of it.
  • PrincessPeach
    Posts: 229Member
    Mine doesn't pay either; he is almost $30,000 behind. Gets jobs with family and friends (cash) so it cant be garnished. Has had driver license suspended multiple times and was arrested for driving w/suspended licensed and was even in jail. Now he has to go to court to every few months for immigration issues. Lesson learned ? Nope, still doesn't pay!
  • twiztedmamatwiztedmama
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    Lmao! That's an inventive way to get him back to the state. Love it! Wish someone would do that to my ex. My son's father has never paid me anything. I live in CA and he is in KY. The state of CA has been after him but I have yet to see anything from it. I haven't talked to him in almost a year except for when CA found him. He sent me a message on FB cussing me out about going after him for child support and that if I wanted to continue it he would take me to court for our son. Said he'd come out here to deal with it and me in person. Me personally? I'd like to see him try. The state of CA has viewed him as an absent parent for almost 6 years now. (Not to mention the drugs and arrests on his record now, and I left him because he hit me) Plus he has 2 other children out there after my son. One here in CA who's mother I am friends with and one out in KY. Both of them he left while they were pregnant. The one in KY immediately went after him in court. She was the smart one. Though I doubt she's even getting much if anything. Seems every time he's "found" he ends up "losing" his job. Then I hear he's working but getting paid under the table. When my son has seen him (last time was summer 2010) he hardly does anything with him. Couldn't/wouldn't even take him to the movies to see a movie that was out that he REALLY wanted to see. Instead my son comes back to me telling me that all he really did was sit and play xbox, play on the computer or watch tv. When he did got out it was his grandpa who took him out on the 4-wheelers around the property or just to play in general. The sad thing is that my son is old enough to start seeing what his father doesn't do for him. He still loves his dad and I would never bad mouth his father to him but he doesn't even ask me if he can call his dad anymore. He loves my dear fiance and tells me he's really like a dad to him. It's cute when he slips up and calls him Dad. He gets all embarrassed even though we have both told him if that is how he feels, he is more that welcome to call him Dad. It's his choice.
  • rorysmom1
    Posts: 64Member
    :-? Bounty hunter to get child support now that might be an idea.
  • momofeveryonemomofeveryone
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    i feel an idea for a new business is blooming.....
    i want a nap. and some chocolate. who's with me?!
  • flmomma
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    my ex has a writ for his arrest for not paying child support. he has to do something wrong to be arrested are you serious? does anyone know of anything I can do?