I found this article on MSN about a creative way a bounty hunter got a Dad to go back to his home state so he could face the courts for child support. Quite inventive I thought.
BellaBefana said:The IRS...they don't much like dead beat dad's!!!
The IRS...they don't much like dead beat dad's!!!
etheriel said: BellaBefana said:The IRS...they don't much like dead beat dad's!!!Too bad my XH refuses to work. The IRS can't garnish if you don't pay taxes. Some child support sure would be nice. :(
Down here the DMV wont renew your license if you owe child support.
Kiinu said:@Charlotte_Sometimes That's awful! Mass does plenty, and quickly. Doesn't even matter what the amount is, if you miss 6wks in a row they suspend your license. DH had lots of trouble getting his CS for his DDs set up through DOR while he was working for a company based out of FL though, they don't handle support orders there well I guess.
@Charlotte_Sometimes That's awful! Mass does plenty, and quickly. Doesn't even matter what the amount is, if you miss 6wks in a row they suspend your license. DH had lots of trouble getting his CS for his DDs set up through DOR while he was working for a company based out of FL though, they don't handle support orders there well I guess.
etheriel said:So...you're saying I should start harassing them? It's summer and I can't find a job that would even cover child care costs so I have nothing better to do. LOL
So...you're saying I should start harassing them? It's summer and I can't find a job that would even cover child care costs so I have nothing better to do. LOL
etheriel said:I'm in Texas as well and my ex is refusing to pay any child support. He even moved out of state and refuses to work to avoid it. It really pisses me off that the OAG isn't doing anything about it. I receive food stamps and Medicaid for my kids and have to sign a piece of paper every time that says I give my permission to the OAG to go after child support. I've given them all the info they need. We even had a court date that he didn't show up for last September. The OAG rep said they were going to officially serve him notice of the next court date and if he didn't show up they would go to Louisiana and arrest him. That hasn't happened yet. I've received 1 child support payment in the last 3 years and that's only because he was stupid enough to file joint taxes with his new GF.
I'm in Texas as well and my ex is refusing to pay any child support. He even moved out of state and refuses to work to avoid it. It really pisses me off that the OAG isn't doing anything about it. I receive food stamps and Medicaid for my kids and have to sign a piece of paper every time that says I give my permission to the OAG to go after child support. I've given them all the info they need. We even had a court date that he didn't show up for last September. The OAG rep said they were going to officially serve him notice of the next court date and if he didn't show up they would go to Louisiana and arrest him. That hasn't happened yet. I've received 1 child support payment in the last 3 years and that's only because he was stupid enough to file joint taxes with his new GF.
I work at a car dealership and we just got paperwork from the State of North Dakota that anyone owing child support gets a lien (or another lien) placed on their title by the state.
I can't imagine the nightmare this will cause when those people start trading in those vehicles with the extra liens - its hard enough to get the banks to send us a lien card for the bank loan. If the state is involved we'll NEVER get them!
Maybe other states have this as well but I've not dealt with it before. Our dealership is in Minnesota but we are on the border so we sell lots of vehicles to ND Residents.
IT says it will also be adding liens to Real Estate too. I'll be curious to see how well it actually works and if they collect more CS.
www.childsupportnd.com - it is a public site searchable by any one at any time. If anyone is interested.
Hi, I am new here...and my story is kind of long but bear with me. I have a complicated but apparently not an unusual situation. I have not 1 but 2 deadbeats that owe HUGE amounts of back child support. The first one owes over $60,000 for 1 child and the second one owes over $34,000 for 2 children. Both of them were court ordered to pay 'X' number of dollars for child support each month and also court ordered to carry insurance on the children. And even though I have worked full time (up until a couple years ago when my disability got the best of me) and at times even worked multiple jobs, I have always been on some sort of welfare...foodstamps, housing, medicaid, etc...because I was not recieving child support and therefore I financially needed it and qualified. I completely agree with the welfare debt vs dead beat parent issue and it needs to be stratigically, seriously, and strictly addressed...by state governments as well as federal government and courts. I can honestly say that had I been getting my child support, not only would I have been over the income limits to qualify, but I would not have needed it. I am so tired of listening to people bellyache about the government deficit and how it is due to welfare recipients...I want to start (if no one else has already) a group of lobbyists to get child support rules updated and enforcement options and requirements improved, but I really feel that this needs to be done at a federal level. And considering that the funding that provides the foodstamps, housing, and medicaid all come down from federal funds and then are dispersed by the state, then the federal government really does need to re-examine the civil rights of the deadbeat parent and the civil rights of the child. Courts have ruled that if a spouse withholds money from the other spouse as a means of power or control then it is abuse. Wouldn't that mean then, that if an absent parent withholds money from a child based on refusing to pay then he/she could and should be found guilty of child abuse? New rules need to be established to close up the gaps and loop holes these dead beats manage to find and use. Failure to pay child support by means of refusal to work for a ligitimate employer should and needs to be looked at by the courts as a serious form of child neglect. It is the child that loses out on a normal and stable childhood compared to children in homes with both biological parents.
My situation is much like others on this site...I have (the second one) an ex that refuses to work. And I quote from his lips to my ears "he and (his gf) have an arrangement" that he stays home (they have NO children) and takes care of the housework and "supervises" his 30 yr old disabled brother (the brother works and goes to a special school, he has a form of aspergers along with some other disabilities that do not require constant supervision, but does require monitoring) and my ex does computer work from home for "trade". In the meantime, he is and can only be court ordered to pay the minimal requirement because of the courts have to base it on that he could work fulltime at minimum wage. When I asked why they don't court order him to get a job, the reply was "we can't force him to work, that would be a civil rights violation". In the meantime, his gf that he has this "arrangement" with makes somewhere between $50,000-$60,000 a year, all the property is in her name, his brother gets disability each month (somewhere around $800), and he is getting unreported income and trade that I can not prove. My son just informed me that they are now moving into a house and let it slip that he wants to call his dad the day after some new XBox game comes out to see if his dad likes it, and yet, my son who is almost 17 has never had a brand new play system...he had a PS2 that my friend gave to him a couple years ago that finally broke a few months back. My understanding is that they just bought a new car too. Her parents are loaded and apparently are willing to "help" them with whatever they need or want...including legal and financial.
Case in point, a few years back, (2009 I think) my state issued a warrant for his arrest for failure to pay childsupport. I was told that they were unable to locate him. I was pissed off one day (it was a saturday morning and I was pissed because my piece of shit car was broke down again) and so I got on the internet (which I had for college along with the computer that was school issued) and started searching for him, his gf, her parents, I searched for probably about an hour and found an address that he was using for whatever purpose...I called the local police department in the town I found him in (it just so happened to be a suburb of Ft. Worth, TX) and gave the officer all the information I had... the amount he owed, the warrant info, his address I had found, his gf's name, his gf's parent's names, and I specifically told her that I wanted an officer to locate my ex and arrest him. She said she would have some officers go to the location and check it out. They went and knocked on the door and when she called me back to update me she informed me that the officers could hear someone inside, but that no one answered the door-imagine that! Even the officer said she was not surprised by that. Then she says...but someone did call shortly after that to ask why the police were at his "relative's home"... the officer said that she knew too that it was probably a bunch of bs, but that all she could do at that point was inform the man (it just so happened to be my ex that called) that he had a warrant and that he needed to resolve it by 5pm the following Monday or she would have officers back at his door to bring him in. Apparently, he finally (after 8 years of no contact) calls my child support enforcement office at which time they told him he would have to pay a minimum of $2000 to make the warrant go away and that if he missed another payment the warrant would be re-issued and he would have to pay more to make it go away. Of course, his gf's daddy paid the $2000, but my ex (or rather his gf as per their "arrangement") has paid it majority of the time since. So my advice based on my personal experience is A) don't be afraid to push the issue or get involved in the pursuit (from a distance and always communicate with your child support case worker before you do anything) B) Think outside the box! I didn't just search for him, I searched for his gf (and her info) and her family too. If nothing else, i embarrassed and humiliated him into paying...(or in this case convincing his gf to pay it) but hey, whatever works right? At the moment he is required to pay his monthly plus $25 towards the arrearages which amount to over $34,000. (At that rate it will take him 113 years to pay off his past due amount.) He keeps crying to me that he can't work without a license...both the case worker and myself have told him...you don't need a license to work... take a taxi, bus, bike, train, walk, run, commute, whatever means necessary to get yourself to and from work, 2 feet and a heartbeat, hell, I know people that have less than 2 feet, but they have the heartbeat and therefore they work... I also informed him that when I first left him, I didn't have a car or a license. I walked to one job and rode my bike to the other all while still taking care of 3 children ALL under the age of 5. If I could do it with 3 kids in tow, then he can damn well do it with a 30 year old disabled person that only needs some monitoring. I am pretty sure any child under the age of 12 (especially ones with ADHD) need constant supervision. In fact, my first born had/has a few mental and emotional issues that required constant supervision even at 18. I guess my point is that where there is a will there is a way...and I told him just that too!
As for the first ex... he is finally on federal probation for failure to pay. That only took almost 17 years. My daughter was a senior in high school when he was finally brought in front of a judge. He got 5 years probation. Now that she is over eighteen and graduated, the federal courts revised his payment obligation to $100 per month... that is on a $60,000 plus debt. Umm, if my math is correct, then that means it will take him approximately 50 years for him to pay it off. Seriously?!?!?!?! He is a 38 year old recovering meth and alcohol addict... how long do we really think he is gonna live? I am suppose to feel "sorry" for him because he can't financially support the 5 more children he chose to have knowing that he had this child support racking up...umm, duh! He was a slippery one though... everytime I found him (yes, me...not child support enforcement) he would disappear within days. I think the longest he stayed put after I found him one time was 9 days. I found him the last time and let child support enforcement know, they had finally issued a federal warrant and sent the US Marshalls after him...I found him in a church newsletter announcing his recent marriage... ha! My thoughts...Congratulations on your recent nuptials, I hope you enjoyed spending your honeymoon in jail waiting to see a federal judge! The problem there was that he did work under the table and was self employed most of the time or he worked for his mom's new hubby under the table. But because it was too hard to get the federal warrant issued due to a bunch of red-tape and bs, the state had no authority or means to send the US Marshalls earlier to get him. Although, come to find out (after the federal hearing) he was at one point arrested and brought back to this state, was seen by a judge (not federal) and was told by the judge he had to pay $500 to get out of jail...his boss (at that time) paid his $500 bail, bought him a bus ticket back to his state, and then apparently, my ex just upped and disappeared...again. Maybe if someone had talked to me before that hearing, the judge might have handled the bail differently. Oh well, just another case that "slipped through the cracks"...time to seal those cracks up tighter!
My sister used to work for a law firm in Florida that was contracted by the state to go after dead beat dads. The state figured it was cheaper to pay for the lawyers and get the child support for the moms than to pay for the food stamps and welfare. Great theory, problem was it took years for the cases to reach her. Then she had to prove paternity. Then she could get a judgement and start garnishing wages provided the dads worked.
That sounds a little sexist - she went after dead beat moms as well.