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Would you hire someone based on their appearance?
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Not entirely based on that. During the holiday season in retail sometimes I am required to hire an insane amount of people. Like crazy insane bananas amount. Once you weed out the incompetent ones and you need to make quick decisions on the last 30 or so applicants who are going to work for the next 3-4 weeks. If I needed to make a decision between two qualified applicants, I'd resort to using the above formula.
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Not sure I would hire someone who puts little hearts on their 'I's either. Lol
"What looks like torture is a time to rejoice
What sounds like thunder is a comforting voice
When what is beautiful looks broken and crushed
And I say I don't know you
But you say it's finished" -
This is probably why I can't find a job. Who wants to hire a fat frumpy housewife, regardless of my qualifications or lack thereof
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Employers have to go on appearance and presentation a lot of times because the interview only lasts what, 10 minutes? It's unfortunate but true. I wouldn't expect something spectacular or unreasonable just a clean shirt and slacks with an approachable personality.
"What looks like torture is a time to rejoice
What sounds like thunder is a comforting voice
When what is beautiful looks broken and crushed
And I say I don't know you
But you say it's finished" -
I always feel the same way @unknown1. I'm unemployed at the moment and I HATE interviews. Pretty much like I HATE dating. I feel like a fat loser- no matter what my resume says.
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It's the little things that say a lot but your resumes totally matter :)
"What looks like torture is a time to rejoice
What sounds like thunder is a comforting voice
When what is beautiful looks broken and crushed
And I say I don't know you
But you say it's finished" -
My mother in law just asked me about talking to my dentist about a job. I said I already did that but when he asked me what my skills were I said "The only skills I have are bitchiness and sarcasm" He said "I think these ladies have it covered but when I need more of that in my life I will give you a call"
Guess I blew that one ;)
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Probably. Lol
"What looks like torture is a time to rejoice
What sounds like thunder is a comforting voice
When what is beautiful looks broken and crushed
And I say I don't know you
But you say it's finished" -
Omg!!! That's disgusting!
"What looks like torture is a time to rejoice
What sounds like thunder is a comforting voice
When what is beautiful looks broken and crushed
And I say I don't know you
But you say it's finished" -
@Demanda - WOW! That's so horrible!We had an interview recently and the lady showed up in sweats...not even nice ones. They were old, tattered, and didn't match. Just made her look totally frumpy. All I could think is, "If this is how she dresses for an interview, what's she going to look like day to day?"When I was job looking I had a nice, professional outfit that I used only for interviews. Man alive do I hate interviewing!
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I know, at least in the restaurant biz, you hire on appearance. In fact, anything that requires customer interaction, you definitely take it into account. Having said that, if I went job hunting right now....I won't get hired on at any restaurant, regardless of my previous experience, which is extensive.See ya in another life, sister!
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So looks mean more than qualifications?
I'm sorry but that is wrong on so many levels. No wonder our children are growing up to hate them self, starve them self etc. Society is showing them that unless they look like a Barbie doll they will never amount to anything!
I understand not hiring someone who does not fit in to some extent (ex. Morbidly obese woman to work at a gym or health food store) Or not hiring someone that shows up to an interview in ratty sweats but for the most part there is no excuse! -
Curious said:
I know, at least in the restaurant biz, you hire on appearance. In fact, anything that requires customer interaction, you definitely take it into account. Having said that, if I went job hunting right now....I won't get hired on at any restaurant, regardless of my previous experience, which is extensive.
Yes, I was just going to say this. I'm NOT saying it is right, but the restaurant business is notorious for this. I've seen amazing servers/bartenders being let go for things that have zero to do with their job skills and a LOT to do with their appearance. Example: A friend of mine cut her shoulder length blonde hair off into a pixie cut. She didn't get fired, but she had been a server/bartender for years, and the GM moved her to the back where she was just expediting food. He even told her 'Regret cutting your hair?' Yes, I know that's illegal. ASS. I was promoted eventually and I moved her right back to where she should be. ;;) That's just one example of MANY I could provide. Stereotypical pretty girls and hot guys always make the best money too, even if their skills weren't as great. It's a cruel world, man. :-S
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Appearance says a lot about your personality IMO... It should not be the only thing considered but I would take it into consideration for sure. I am struggling with my last few lbs, you know why? Because I lack discipline :s I am not a perfectionist about my looks in anyway really and I think it says something about who I am. I'm a little scattered and disorganized, not really an over achiever. I don't take time to do my hair or make up everyday. I'm kind of a fly off my seat kind of girl. I make a great cleaner but I wouldn't want to hire myself to keep my files or plan a social event. I wouldn't hire someone who was very overweight to clean with me because I know the physical demands of my job. I also wouldn't hire someone who was overly primped because I know the gross demands my job comes with. There are jobs where you need to look the part and I think people should make it their responsibility to makes sure ALL or many of their skills match the job opportunity, appearance included.
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Obviously my employer did this at least once. The receptionist at my office looks like "Barbie" but is as dumb as a box of rocks!!:(Stay away from my chocolate and nobody gets hurt!
I think I like who I am becoming... -
Appearance matters tons & 98.9% of the time its what an employer looks for.
I work in a small store in a major hotel and its wicked to see some of the ppl they hire, and the ones that don't make it.
I swear that the Earls in Edmonton has a "no one over 25y.o. / no bigger than a size 2" policy.
I was told going into family court (by my lawyer). "make sure you do your hair & makeup, dress pretty, because pretty people are treated better and society will give them more". And sadly, its fuking true. I'm the same person every day, but days I wear makeup ppl are a lot nicer to me than when I'm scrubby.
Not saying that its what everyone looks for all the time, but ever notice when u wear makeup/dress nicely you feel better and seem more confident? That's got a ton to do with it too. -
@Turthipo I was told the same thing about family court. I didn't intend on showing up looking like I just rolled out of bed, but the fact that appearance was mentioned by my lawyer was kind of shocking to me, at first. Then I realized that she was right. We sat in on some cases before ours, the judge was sentencing, and some of those people got harsh sentences, probably based on their appearance. Considering that the short over weight girl in apple bottom jeans and a t-shirt two sizes too small got jail time, and the girl with the slacks and blazer got community service for the same charges. It was sad, but i guess that's the way it really is.
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I hope someone will hire me on appearance. I promise to dress nicely. I have fuck all experience and qualifications. Well im working on the qualification part!"Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter." - Dr. Seuss
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Wow. I'm appalled, to be honest. Looking for an employee who looks professional is fine. However, professional does not necessarily mean pretty or skinny. It doesn't mean designer clothes either. No, I wouldn't hire someone who came in wearing sweat pants with their hair and teeth unbrushed, but no matter their size, face, or hair, if their qualifications are acceptable or they seem able to learn the job, I would consider them.
If this is the norm, it is no wonder so many people can't get jobs.deus ex machina -
Wow. I weigh about 250 lbs. and I'm not really sorry about that. I am clean, organized, intelligent, educated, and well-spoken. (No, I'm not prone to modesty, smart-ass.) I am not overweight because I am "lazy" and don't even think about responding to this comment and telling me I "must be" because I weigh 250. (If you cannot suppress the compulsion to explain my faults to me, please send a PM so I can tell you to fuck off privately.) I cycle every morning for 20 minutes. I can move a top-loading washing machine without assistance. I can carry my eldest child (60lbs), still sleeping, with one arm, from his classroom to my car, holding the hand of my 5-year-old son. I can carry my husband like a bride (200 lbs) just to show off. My body does its JOB. I do plan on returning to the workforce, which I understand isn't going to be a small feat. Perhaps now is the time to start planning on self-employment.
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@Imwendy, I completely agree with your first comment. Well said.@gingersnap, you are beautiful. Inside and out. Anyone would be lucky to call you their employee.I was merely trying to illustrate a point based on my experiences within a particular field. That this does happen and I've seen it first hand many times. I do not approve, by any means. Sure there is a measure of appearance that must be met. Clean, dressed appropriately according to company policy, etc. but not 'You're not hot & skinny. Bye bye'.
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ImWendy said:
I suppose old also falls into the aesthetically unappealing category. I seriously hope the people who hire based on looks never find themselves looking for a job when they're old.
Word.
One lady I worked with, she was in her 40s when hired. The only reason she was hired is because the dumbfuck who interviewed her outright asked her how old she was and the other guy hired her on the spot because he knew you can't do that and was afraid. She has consistently, for over 10 yrs now, been in the top 3 country wide for sales. They probably wouldn't have hired her, but turns out she can sell snow to an Inuit.
It was absolutely ridiculous the staff we ended up with because of their hiring practices. And they would wonder why we had such high turnover and immature, unreliable or just plain stupid staff. Well, duh! That said, I probably wouldn't have got the job myself, I'd never sold anything, I just wanted out of cooking."The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off." ~ Gloria Steinem
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@madme You may have only meant dirty, gross, or smelly, but you said aesthetically appealing. You also said "toothless wonder."
Aesthetics is the philosophy of beauty, art, and good taste. It's the appreciation of beauty.
@sammie Thank you
@demanda Good case in point. Sometimes I can understand why an older person might be looked over, especially in a technological field unless they stay up to date on current technology. Or if they might not physically be able to do the job, but if it's only because they don't fit in with the "look" of the company, the company generally doesn't deserve their expertise anyway.
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@turthipo I had a friend who worked at earls here in edmonton it really is the policy...she got pushed to the back she gained some weight and had bunions from the no flats policy.
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I can completely understand not hiring someone if they do not look professional. But to automatically weed people out because they are overweight or not your definition of pretty is wrong. I can see needing to be pretty & have a nice body if you are doing lap dances but not to ring people up on Black Friday.
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@AlbertaMom seriously? Omg Ick ya my mom & I went in Jan down by the UofA
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@madme, dental care is incredibly expensive. I have some amazing, educated family members with serious dental issues that they can't afford to fix because their insurance does not cover it. Even people who HAVE dental can often times not get things like partials or implants because it is considered cosmetic. I understand not finding it overly attractive, but believe me they are already self-conscious and critical of themselves enough to know. They have to suck it up though and go to work or continue to look for work because they still have kids to feed, bills to pay, etc.Discussions like this start to really tug on my heart. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had the means to fix things like missing teeth (and other related cosmetic issues) and just chose not to do it. Most would jump at the chance.
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@sammie Thank you. You said what I feel a lot more eloquently than I'd have been able to do.
And that is why I'm appalled, btw. Forming an opinion of a person's job ability based on their physical appearance (not including neatness or cleanliness) is not only shallow, but discriminatory.
deus ex machina -
I understand the concepts on both sides of this one- in some jobs appearances really do matter and physical characteristics can hinder some people from being able to physically do certain tasks. While I would love it if people were able to be non-judgmental and for appearances to not matter, that is often not reality. We tend to make very basic psychological assumptions about character based on physical appearances alone- and those initial judgments influence how we interact with people on a daily basis. Are these judgments always fair and accurate? Hell no. But it is a reality of human interaction to make snap-judgment based on looks alone, hence why people who are pretty/thin/whatever the cultural definition of "beauty" is in a certain place tend to be more successful, even if they are less talented or skilled than someone with less physical appeal. Again, this is NOT right, and not fair, but it is the reality of the world and has always been.Personally, when I did hiring, I always tried to do a phone interview first and get to know a candidate without looking at them at all, so when I met them, my initial impression had been based on that interview, and not on anything else. I constantly strive not to make judgments based on appearances or flaws a person has no ability to change, and I think many people do the same but it can be hard sometimes.The answer is chocolate. I don't care what the question is.
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I was in retail for over 10 years and appearance sells! {At first} when I became a manager we were told under their breath of course, looks first then hope their qualified.. I well say I hired the qualified people, I didn't care if they were not so called good looking or missing teeth as long as they were clean, dressed well and qualified I hired them.. It really all comes down to if you're good at your job and with people, selling product and great customer service beats looks. You can be a complete hottie but if you can't bring my sells up, not only are you hurting the store you're fucking with my paycheck. Believe me I got shit for it at first but when my section of the store was doing better then the rest my boss jump off my ass pretty fast..
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Well, I had a big long thing typed up, but @Sammie and @Chocoholic both said what I was going to, far better.eta: It costed around $4000 to fix my grill. And that was after insurance. If I were out scrounging for a waitressing job or work in retail, I would never have been able to get that much-needed work done. Caps, crowns, and dental appliances like dentures or partials are considered "cosmetic" and are not covered under most policies or Medicaid.
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I had a toothless cashier ringing me up at Wal-Mart and she was wonderful and sweet. I think we always knew that hirings were someone based on appearances. This is why we are taught to dress the part when going for an interview...shower, pluck stray eyebrows, pop abreath mint, dont wear black lipstick..etc. Its a matter of dignity.
You can be big, thin, have bad teeth or gray hairs but if you groom yourself properly it shouldnt matter. Ive never hired anyone....but i believe these women are implying that they wont hire slobs, skanky lookin people, scuzzy looking people or scary looking people.
However these same scuzzy, scary, snanky people wpuld probably look tons different if they took some time to groom themselves.
Then keep in mind that attitude goes a fucking LOOOONG way.
I am more comfortable with hiring based on appearances than on credit scores..
The American people have bewn through shit...so saying someone who wants to better themselves and pull themselves out of a hole, wont be hired due to bad credit?
That is beyond fucked up to me.I shall futterwacken...vigorously* -
@madme and @masshysteria - my husband is a high clearance federal agent. He dosent believe in what he does he just does it for the awesome pay/benefits. But dude seriously...some of the things he has shown me is creepy. You bet your sweet ass Big Brother is ALWAYS watching.I shall futterwacken...vigorously*
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Like almost everything in life with appearance *most* of the time you reap what you sew. If you put forth effort into the way you look it will appeal to the person in charge of the interview. Just like if you put forth effort and work hard in school, get qualified, and gain experience it will appeal to the person reading your resume. Each person has the ability to be their own personal best without excuses. I don't think it's unreasonable that those who choose not to may not have as many opportunities.
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I don't see where anyone attacked you @madme, and I'm sorry that you feel that way.
As for not hiring based on appearances, to me it's no different than saying you wouldn't hire a person because they're gay, or a woman, or in a wheelchair, or because they have blue eyes, or because they're black. We all agree that an applicant should be neat and clean. I do have a problem when it goes beyond that to things like physical features, whether or not they wear makeup, or what size/type of clothes they wear.deus ex machina -
Being gay, a woman, having a disability are not choices. Being attractive is possible for anyone. @imwendy
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Also this is coming from someone on the losing end of this battle. I wear make up maybe 4 times a month, only for a date with dan. I can't walk in heels and dresses always blow up on me and I hate undies so I cant really wear them. I don't know how to do my hair, just learned how to tweeze my eyebrows, and I'm a little fluffy for my height. I thought about getting a job as a bartender fri and sat nights but I know right now appearance wise I wouldn't qualify and I in no way hold that against anyone except myself.
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@eapple, actually being attractive is NOT an option for "everyone", because social contracts of "beauty" bar some people from achieving it no matter what they do- and no one should have to go to extremes like surgery in order to achieve society's bullshit concept of beauty (which, by the way, was mainly constructed by men, especially gay men).
The term "attractive" refers to desireability, which, again, is based on social constructions of what traits are desirable. Not everyone has many of those traits. They can maximize what they have, but if they were born with little, they will be limited. Is it fair that these people do not have equal opportunity because they were born with certain characteristics that are not considered "desirable"?The answer is chocolate. I don't care what the question is. -
As for the topic at hand, I think the majority of the comments on this thread reflect that most people ARE aware that appearance plays a great role in the hiring process.The disagreement, as I'm catching it is : How much is too much attention to pay to the appearance of a potential employee?
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If I wanted to make myself attractive/appealing I would shower and do my hair (to the best of my ability) I would wear makeup to try to make my skin look flawless, I would make sure my teeth were bright and clean, I would wear something that smells good, and a nice outfit that is clean and ironed. I have gotten heat in the past about my "insensitivity" toward ppl who are overweight/obese but IMHO it hinders a person in many aspects of life. If you look like you are one burger away from a heart attack ppl are going to notice that. I know how hard it is! My dd is going to be 2 and I have 20 lbs that will not go away. It won't go away because I'm not trying!
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@eapple YOUR personal weightless might have to do with you not trying, but many people who struggle with weight try extremely hard and their situation is complicated as to why they are unsuccessful. To make a sweeping generalization that it hinders many aspects of life seems a bit of an exaggeration. Many overweight people live completely normal, fruitful and full lives with no "hinderances".
I think most people with intelligence know that hiring an overweight person with wonderful qualifications is far superior than hiring a pretty idiot. Yes, we all make snap judgments but only a dolt would hire pretty over smart.The answer is chocolate. I don't care what the question is.
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