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Chick Fil A
  • HaileysMomHaileysMom
    Posts: 475Member
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  • HaileysMomHaileysMom
    Posts: 475Member
    Hey, I didn't like this comment.
    I've seen both sides of the story.  The President of Chick-Fil-A defends his company by saying that they're not anti-gay, but that they support Biblical principals to further their business.  That's understandable, and I have nothing against that.  The fact that they blatently promote anti-gay groups and their functions is what I don't agree with.  

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    The comment:
    Linda Harvey White (July 30, 2012): Personally, I'm a big fan of Chick Fillet.... are you choosing because of the crap in the media?  If so, you should probably get the whole story... the liberal media have twisted things as usual... I may not agree with what someone says, but I will fight to the death to preserve their right to say it..... hate has nothing to do with it.  Get the facts before you decide to side with the press...

    Content URL: https://www.facebook.com/janice.w.merriman/posts/427659867272336
  • beambeam
    Posts: 1,083Member
    I can't get to the link via phone but feel my opinion is forged in stone - I have no problem with him living and creating a company within his beliefs and practices and even using his personal income as he sees fit BUT he was using company money, money his customers have spent in his establishment, to promote and spread hate and discrimination... I will never eat there again (when I'm back home). The issue ends there for me. If cities want to dissaude them from setting up? Why not. Can they ban a company? I don't know city/state discrimination laws enough but I doubt it unless discriminating against customers and employees... but a boycott is where my involvement ends.
    "Magic things are fond of deceptions.” ― Tom Robbins
  • WillileeWillilee
    Posts: 1,060Member
    AHEM I don't even LIKE Chik-FIL-A. But you know what? It's a free country and it's their company, even if it makes them assholes.
  • GingersnapGingersnap
    Posts: 7,712Member
    A friend posted this on FB today.


    "We Are Not Arguing Over Chicken"

    Facebook can feel faceless sometimes. Over the last week, the site has seen a lot of conversations about Chick-fil-A, often among total strangers able to shout at each other just because they happen to have a friend in common. It is worth remembering that behind each unfamiliar headshot or puppy pic is a real person. When you litter your friend's wall with vitriol about the idiocy of your interlocutors, you are talking about people, not pixels.

    So here's my message to social conservatives: Just because you were a member of the Boy Scouts, I don't think you are a bigot. Have those waffle fries; I'm not going to glitter-bomb you. But please, hear me out on why these organizations are so troubling to me, personally. Let's get beyond the avatar, so we can understand that this is more about people than about anonymous wall posts.

    Hi. My name is Conor Gaughan. I am 32 years old. I was born an Air Force child. Most of my formative years were spent in the suburbs of Denver. Mike and MaryAnn were incredible parents, instilling in me a strong moral compass. I have an older brother -- Ghirmay. He joined our family after emigrating from Eritrea. He's now married with three adorable girls. I have a younger sister -- Michaela. She is a senior in high school. As a family, we grew up going to church every Sunday. I attended a Christian Brothers high school. In 2002, I graduated from Harvard, with a degree in economics. While in school, I was a varsity letterman, and I started a non-profit to help at-risk youth. In the ten years since completing my degree, I've largely worked in finance. And, I now work in the media business helping nonprofits to speak the language of American Pop Culture. Oh, and somewhere in there, I came out of the closet. It's nice to meet you.

    Growing up is never easy. But, teenagers who grow up gay are four times more likely to take their own lives. No, that has nothing to do with our sexuality on its own -- suicide rates are lower where gay kids are accepted. It's because our institutions, and all too often the adults in our lives, tell us we're not as good as our straight peers. In 29 states, it is legal for an employer to fire me for who I am. In 31 states, leaders and voters have told me that I am not worthy of the fundamental human right to marry. You want to marry because you love your Mr. Right; I have no rights to do the same. And, the consequences of this inequality are terrifying and real. For example, I can be denied access to my loved one on his deathbed. There are over 1,100 other rights that I am denied.

    When gays get so angry about a chicken sandwich, it is because Chick-fil-A has given around $5 million to fight to discriminate against us. When we praise brave Eagle Scouts who give up their badges in protest of the Boy Scouts of America's prejudice, it's not about scoring political points; it's because there are kids in dens who are being taught to believe that they are less than equal. When we rant about the pastor who preaches that gays should be thrown into a concentration camp, we scream out of fear. And our fears are justified -- in the last seven days, a lesbian in Nebraska was carved with a knife, a gay man in Oklahoma was firebombed, and a girl in Kentucky was kicked and beaten -- her jaw broken and her teeth knocked out -- while her assailants allegedly hurled anti-gay slurs at her.

    I am your coworker, your frat brother, your cousin, your neighbor. And I am watching as you defend institutionalized discrimination.

    Eat all the chicken sandwiches you want. But, realize that behind this debate are real people -- kids like the girl in Kentucky who fear for their safety, women like Sally Ride's widow who are denied their spouse's Social Security benefits. Even if it doesn't seem like it, we want nothing more than to leave behind the angry debates on Facebook and on Capitol Hill. There are, after all, a lot of pictures of One Direction and grandkids we would rather be posting, sharing and 'liking.'
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  • lexieloraine
    Posts: 38Member
    I do not think the gay community is upset about the fact that the CEO said what was said, to me it is more about not being willing to give money to people who will in turn give that money to groups who are discriminating against them. They may as well go ahead and make a donation, same goes for any straight person, they can say anything they want, in fact, I for one am glad they came out with their opinions, now everyone has the choice to donate to these organizations or not. I will not give them a penny; I disagree with what they do with MY money. BTW, I am straight.
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
    Posts: 1,756Member
    lexieloraine said:

    I do not think the gay community is upset about the fact that the CEO said what was said, to me it is more about not being willing to give money to people who will in turn give that money to groups who are discriminating against them. They may as well go ahead and make a donation, same goes for any straight person, they can say anything they want, in fact, I for one am glad they came out with their opinions, now everyone has the choice to donate to these organizations or not. I will not give them a penny; I disagree with what they do with MY money. BTW, I am straight.



    Yes that is exactly it.  

    Why on earth would I spend my dollars to make a corporation richer that is ACTIVELY working against my best interests?  Just like the support of Mormon owned businesses who turn right around and put that money towards things like Prop 8 in California. 
    "But a lesson must be lived in order to be learned" Ani DiFranco, Manhole
    "Screw you guys! I'm going home." Eric Cartman
  • pdxmama
    Posts: 1,470Member
    @haileysmom I hope you don't mind if I steal that picture so I can post it on my fb.
  • HaileysMomHaileysMom
    Posts: 475Member
    @pdxmama That would be great!
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    @gingersnap I stole the article and posted it on my fb. Thank you!
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • lovinmom
    Posts: 682Member
    lexieloraine said:

    I do not think the gay community is upset about the fact that the CEO said what was said, to me it is more about not being willing to give money to people who will in turn give that money to groups who are discriminating against them. They may as well go ahead and make a donation, same goes for any straight person, they can say anything they want, in fact, I for one am glad they came out with their opinions, now everyone has the choice to donate to these organizations or not. I will not give them a penny; I disagree with what they do with MY money. BTW, I am straight.




    This is how I feel. I live in Utah and there are lines up the butt at chick fil a. Makes me sick actually.
  • sybil
    Posts: 27Member
    I understand the issues that people have with this company, I think the boycott, while well intended, was silly.  I support the reasoning behind it, but for the people that are doing the boycott, do you actually research where the profits for ANY business you frequent go?  The owners of all businesses are free to support what ever cause they wish with the money they make.  

    I may be wrong but in watching the little blip this story got in my news program, for every person that protested by NOT buying a sandwich, it looks like 10 more people were in line to SUPPORT the company.  

    I guess all press, even negative, is good press.

    TBH Ive never actually even at one, Im not even sure they are in my city 
  • GingersnapGingersnap
    Posts: 7,712Member
    Actually, Target hasn't been getting our money. But, now that they put out a gay bridal registry ad, I think the winds are changing.
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  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    @gingersnap I stole the article and posted it on my fb. Thank you! Err double post
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • lexieloraine
    Posts: 38Member
    @sybil

    You cannot keep track of every company you shop with but the large offenders are easy to find. $2 mil is more than the average donation from a company. I also saw this on my FB feed, kind of makes me laugh at all those "supporters"





    But FYI, here is the 25 gay supports that anti-gay people have boycotted:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/oreo-backlash-companies-anti-gay-boycott_n_1634767.html#slide=1153130

    and a few of the big offenders on the anti-gay front:

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/10810/you-would-never-believe-which-anti-gay-companies-you-support-with-your-money


  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    @sybil I do not research every company I shop at. (except I do consult the PETA manual for those who treat animals inhumanly). So yep, I am ignorant. But if you throw this in my face then I will react. So thank you Chicfila, for making me, and America aware of your hateful, homophobic agenda.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • StelleSenzaDioStelleSenzaDio
    Posts: 20Member
    Assholes. They aren't even open on Sunday. Will someone Sharpie this on cardstock?

    In all seriousness, it is the company's funds. I can't control who or what they spend it on, nor should I. But that doesn't mean I'm going to support it by providing them buisness.
  • DebUTaunt
    Posts: 1Member
    Agree with most of what's being said in these posts. I will not donate money to be used for their "hateful, homophobic agenda" (JustBeachy).  BTW, I put the f-word pic on my FB page a few minutes ago. Let's see what happens.
  • ConfusedDad
    Posts: 134Member
    I had to laugh, a radio station in Boston (107.3 WAAF) decided to pull a stunt at the North Shore Mall...They had 2 of the guys from the morning show dress up as chickens and head to a Chick-Fillet and attempt to participate in the same-sex kissing day thing(not really sure what it was since I don't get time to keep up with the news). They got chased out by mall security before they could make it to the restaurant. They ended up accomplishing it though, a few listeners snuck them in with a box truck pretending to make a delivery to the mall.....They got chased all threw the mall and almost arrested...

    I'll try to find the link to their PodCast, it was pretty entertaining to listen to lol..Figured you guys might be humored by hearing about it.
  • Mommyoftwo2Mommyoftwo2
    Posts: 36Member
    Live and let live...and that goes for everyone.
  • FreeToBeMee
    Posts: 643Member
    I miss chic fil  a .  That damn sammich was awesome. That iced tea rocked my world. I am sad that I cant give them my money. That is all.
  • TheHeadacheslayer
    Posts: 2,752Member
    Thank you, thank you to @Gingersnap for posting that AWESOME testimonial from FB/HP.

    I am bisexual. I have a GF (and yes my husband knows and approves).

    I could go on about all my accomplishments, what I've done for my community and for others.

    AND YET. I am afraid to wear a gay pride shirt, or fly a rainbow flag in my yard. Because someone would probably do me harm, or throw a brick thru my front windows--the windows to the rooms of my kids.

    My husband and kids are proud of me. I came out at 38 although most of my family does not know (or if they do, they blatantly refuse to acknowledge it). 

    I am a human. I deserve dignity and respect.

    I used to love Chik Fil A. I won't spend a dime there now. Just as I won't donate to the Salvation Army, or any other place that "pretends" their bigotry is a "right".

    There is NO PLACE for bigotry and hate in our society or our world. Your "free speech" rights end when you don't accept the responsibility of what your words do. You cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre. You cannot incite hate and wrap it in the flag or the Bible.
  • Beach_HippieBeach_Hippie
    Posts: 126Member
    In my opinion, if you are going to pick and choose passages from the Bible to live your life by, why not pick and choose the 800+ passages that command you to love one another rather than the 6 passages about homosexuality that still don't tell you to hate homosexuals.
    "Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Matthew 7:1
    This means that you don't get to choose to hate homosexuals just because God abhors homosexuality. Nowhere in the Bible does it say God hates sinners (God does not hate "fags".). We're all sinners and yet He loves us all. He just hates the sins. You don't get to judge someone else just because their sin against God is different than yours.
    "Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you." Leviticus 11:12
    This means no shrimp or lobster for you. The Bible says it's a sin to eat shrimp/lobster, but you don't see huge anti-shrimp/lobster eating agendas or picket lines outside Red Lobster.
    There also several passages that say not to shave your head or beard, but there are millions of businesses that require it as part of their dress code. Does this make them anti-Christian?
    If nobody cares about shrimp eating and the wanton use of razors and Barbasol, why single out gays?
    On a legal standpoint, Chik Fil A has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. I support that right, but I don't support people or organizations that promote negativity towards gays or anybody/anything for that matter. Just because they're pro-Christian doesn't mean they have to actively be anti-anything else. People also have to understand that you can be pro-something and it does NOT necessarily make you anti-whatever the opposite is.
    I am choosing not to patronize Chik Fil A because I don't think what their doing is a positive thing, but I'm not going to actively seek out pro-gay businesses and support only those businesses. So, being anti-Chik Fil A does not necessarily make me pro-gay, and just because I'm not pro-gay, that doesn't make me anti-gay.
    I'm really not pro-gay or anti-gay. I'm apathetic. Honestly, I don't care who sleeps with who and I don't care what their genders are. What goes on in the bedrooms of hundreds of thousands of people (gay or straight) is of very little interest to me.
    My question is, how does that factor in to equal opportunity for employees? Aren't they're making themselves vulnerable to discrimination law suits?
  • kay3
    Posts: 57Member
    ok so I feel that If this guy wants to say what he belives then he has the right and what he spends his money on is his right. If someone wants to boycott his business its thier right. I have told my own friends on both sides of the issue that that they are hypocrites. Its esy to chose to eat a sandwich at a restaurant or go to a different one a block away. But are any of us willing to really sacrifice for our beliefs? if you are anti-gay rights are you willing to forgo your computer because of the fact that apple, microsoft and google support gay rights? If you are pro gay rights then are you willing to stop driving your car because OPEC is not only anti gay rights but they give money to groups and governments in the middle east that support the murder of anyone that is gay. so how strong are your convictions?
  • HaileysMomHaileysMom
    Posts: 475Member
    I am a bisexual Christian wife and mother. I have close friends who are gay. They are my dd's god fathers. My bff and ex-gf is her god mother. We helped make their gay rodeo float, and my dh drove the jeep that pulled their rodeo float in the gay pride parade. I believe that Jesus ministered to the outcasts and told his followers not to judge lest they be judge, for we have all sinned. Even if you believe that homosexuality is a son, which I don't, Jesus teaches us to love one another. I don't think that disapproving of someone for their sexual orientation is any different than hating them because of their race or gender. The civil rights movement of today is for the LGBT community, as it was for the African Americans and for women before that.
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