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All couples------updated----- victory bitches!
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    In Washington the referendum 74 is on ballot for "all couples" marriage. Meaning gay.

    People who are opposed to it please tell me why!
  • MorganD
    Posts: 3,451Member
    Um...I see this topic going in a negative way. So, I abstain.
  • mommydeliriousmommydelirious
    Posts: 3,480Member
    Im not opposed, Im Canadian and I can say we marry everyone here and its no big thing at all. It doesn't effect me, and it means sometime in the future I may get to go to more weddings. Which means there might be an open bar. Win win!
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  • LLB
    Posts: 3,382Member
    Another gay marriage debate? Yeah! I think I'll pass!
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    Lol, I'm in! Except I don't oppose it so....
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Of course it will go in a negative way there was a crazy one way back when the boards first started and there were no mods.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Never mind since clearly this is a touchy subject to all ill just have them close it. @love @lesbomom @unforgiven @candianmama
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    That was a different sm. nowadays I think we are all educated, respectful, and this isn't exactly a hotbed of contention. So lets see.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • SasafrasSasafras
    Posts: 1,217Member
    I'm not opposed but I would have participated
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Clearly people are just narrow minded.
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    Not to imply previous generations were ignorant, not at all! We just used to express ourselves differently than now.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • WickedBitchoftheEastWickedBitchoftheEast
    Posts: 912Member
    I'm not opposed. To each his/her own. Love is love. Can you feel the love tonight??? LOL song popped in my head :)
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    @ohkay don't close it, I think you will be surprising pleased at the amount of support this topic will bring.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • AnonUser33
    Posts: 743Guest
    I say lets do it!! I will be voting for it.  
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    @beachy you would be surprised. I clearly remember the names of those whom don't
  • LesboMomLesboMom
    Posts: 2,929Confessional Manager
    @morgand @llb seeing as both those commentsvbring nothing constructive to the conversation, please refrain from just commenting to instigate negativity. 

    thank you

    confessional-manager

    Keep your face to the sunshine and you cannot see a shadow. -- Helen Keller
  • freeforall
    Posts: 22Member
    I don't think these discussions ever go well and its a very simple reason why: people have different opinions and have reasons why they believe what they believe.  I don't know of any person that has had their opinion changed because of Facebook status's, posts, or the like.  

    On this forum, if someone would actually disagree with the proposal, they would be crucified.  If they based it on their religion, their religion would be attacked.  If they based it on their personal convictions, I think they would be attacked.  

    No matter how "open" and understanding and "non-judgemental" as a group of people claim to be, there will always be judgements and attacks that happen.  Its human nature
  • missmama5missmama5
    Posts: 4,104Member
    all couples eh? Does that mean I can marry my jar of Nutella? Because I fucking love Nutella and some days I spend more time with it than my actual husband.
  • katz_meowkatz_meow
    Posts: 4,539Member
    I'd actually like to hear why some are opposed as well. As a supporter I just don't understand the reasons for the opposition. I'm honestly curious...

    And I'm not a pot stirrer, well on sm anyhow.. lol. So ya, I'm interested in the responses
    Judgement comes in many forms but never scarce or shy
  • freeforall
    Posts: 22Member
    I just want to note that I do not mean to diminish the awesomeness of ScaryMommy, I just want to be realistic
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    Sooo I love the LGBT community and I think this is our modern day segregation issue. Why are we, as a country which defines ourselves on civil liberty, denying an entire segment of our population the same rights most of us receive? Doesn't hurt me if Steve marries Adam. Actually I think that giving everyone the same rights makes us a stronger community, locally and nationally.
    Now go!
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    (a lot happened while I was typing!)
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    @missmama5 it says all couples I'm sure somewhere it states in there they must be human :)
  • missmama5missmama5
    Posts: 4,104Member
    Well fuck. Free love for all.
    *climbs into bed with my Nutella*
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    I personally see a lot of people base it off of their religion but how does it affect their religion I'm not sure. They don't have to do it. I am also pretty sure most religion are suppose to accept people. However I am the furthest from religion you will find. If I need to back this up though I'm sure gf can help. She has research it a lot because this I people's number ones thing.
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    @freeforall, I have had my mind changed bc of discussions here. If someone can write about a topic impassively and accurately and make their point I might take a second look at what I believe.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • AnonUser33
    Posts: 743Guest

    Honestly I love it because I am pretty sure one day one or both of my children will need it if they want to get married. The other reason is because it is moving one step closer to what I want, sister wives. Then there is the thought that if my husband dies before me I may choose to spend the remainder of my life with a woman.

    There are a lot of other reasons too

  • maycausedizziness
    Posts: 200Member
    I agree with everything @Beachy said. I honestly would like to hear an answer as to why anyone would object to the marriage of two people  just because they aren't female and male.
  • freeforall
    Posts: 22Member
    @Beachy, but if someone is against the marriage topic or even abortion based on a religion that you think is a fairy tale, how are you supposed to be taken seriously?  No snark, just honest question because if someone lives their life by the Bible, and a person reading their arguments this the Bible is a fairy Tale, how would they ever really meet i the middle?
  • CanadianMamaCanadianMama
    Posts: 9,655Administrator, Moderator
    Everyone should be allowed to marry the person they want to marry. I have listened to people espouse their opinions as to why they are opposed and I will never understand it. Freedom of religion means you don't get to pass laws based on one religion's ideologies, it should be legal, and it's ridiculous in my opinion that it's even still an issue.

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  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    @freeforall it's a good point but not what this discussion is about.
  • freeforall
    Posts: 22Member
    wow i should really proofread what I type, sorry for the typos
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    ^^^ me too! And please don't say it's against God's will, bc it isn't. We can go toe to toe on scripture all day, and it doesn't say that except in the context of soddom, but those people were doing atrocities far beyond actually being gay. And I don't think they were gay at all. They were punished for other things. So no.
    And don't say it will hurt the population! We all know there are far too many people now for the planet to sustain adequately.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • katz_meowkatz_meow
    Posts: 4,539Member
    Well said @CanadianMama. I couldn't agree more :-)
    Judgement comes in many forms but never scarce or shy
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    My ups was to @mommamobonz
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • mommydeliriousmommydelirious
    Posts: 3,480Member
    I am a religious person. I wouldn't want people outside my religion telling me what I could and couldn't do with that part of my life, and I don't do that to other people. Religion is about making certain choices. Right now a lot of people don't even have the choice to make. That doesn't make the thing that some people deem "bad" go away. It just separates us all on a basic level further. There are much bigger problems in the world for us to concentrate on. And for the record, if you walked into my church and it was known you were gay, you would still be welcome. Last I checked gay isn't contagious, its not like you're saying you want in on it by accepting someone that is and treating them like an equal.
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  • Chocoholic
    Posts: 997Member
    Separation of church and state. Period.


    Keep your religion out of my laws, and out of my bedroom.
    The answer is chocolate. I don't care what the question is.
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    Hi @freeforall! You made a lot of assumptions right there.
    Me, card carrying, very active, Catholic. That fairy tale bible? I got a few, I even crack them open on them churchin' days.
    And if I lived by the bible or what my church supposedly tells me I would not be a proponent for the LGBT community. Abortion is a whole other topic, but yeah, I support that shit too.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Yeah I agree people saw for religious reasons but that means those religious people should chose to be with the same sex. Even though I don't believe it is a choice it just happens. But that's a whole other debate.
  • freeforall
    Posts: 22Member
    @Beachy, Im sorry I was not more specific, I wasn't meaning you in the literal sense, just like a general you
  • TheHeadacheslayer
    Posts: 2,752Member
    Here's how I see it--everyone loves to say how our troops are fighting for our freedom. If so, then it means ALL should be included in that freedom. Gay marriage hurts no one, just as biracial marriages hurt no one. People have used religion for all sorts of reasons but that doesn't make it *right*. Besides, since there is such a thing as a "non-religious marriage" no religion should decree who should--or shouldn't--get married.

    I can't respect anyone who choose which passages of their religion they decide to follow. You don't own morality or get to dictate who can love each other and be a family (and I'm talking *legally* and consenting adults).

    Do I understand "the other side"? yes because I used to think that way. Hate and bigotry is never ok.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Some people who are biracial marriages say they don't agree with gay marriage! That blew my mind away talk about amazing.
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    I think religion is just like a law. You can justly break either if in your conscience it seems that is is not just and fair. Not for selfish reasons, but your heart might say no, this isn't right.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Another thing that pertains nothing to this debate.

    Me being gay has nothing to do with it, this law won't help or hurt me. I have no desire to ever marry its just the point that people feel they have the right to dictate they can.
  • LilbitLilbit
    Posts: 1,582Member
    Chocoholic said:

    Separation of church and state. Period.


    Keep your religion out of my laws, and out of my bedroom.



    This plain and simple there really isn't any argument that could even potentially hold water other than religion (and I think god loves you no matter what) and religion shouldn't be part of our law making.

  • TheHeadacheslayer
    Posts: 2,752Member
    @Beachy I get what you are saying...I identify as Christian AND bisexual. And I credit God with changing my heart to accept that GLBT was NOT wrong. I've got friends who struggled nearly to the point of suicide because they were told they couldn't be Christian and gay. And I'm sure some would try to argue with me that it wasn't God changing my heart. I know what I know. *shrug*
  • GingersnapGingersnap
    Posts: 7,712Member
    I support marriage equality.
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  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    @ohkay of course this pertains to you! What if you fall in love, are in a committed relationship, but you are denied the rights and responsibilities of being a "spouse"? What of you can't make medical decisions, what if you can't add to other to your insurance? What if you have kids and your partner carried that baby and you can't get visitation or custody?
    Not just you, but everyone who is denied the right to a full and legally binding marriage?
    That isn't a just or righteous law, at all.
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    Oh I know @beachy I would carry the kid and the SO and I family don't always get along but I know it'd never come to that.

    But I do know someone who was hurt badly by this.
  • BeachyBeachy
    Posts: 4,044Member
    Sorry @ohkay, I might be a little passionate about this topic!
    Searching for my lost shaker of salt.
  • Thisisthenamethatneverendsitgoesonandonmyfriend
    Posts: 1,484Member
    All the are dying on commercials here is vote no don't redefine marriage
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