Georgia Proposes to Limit Vasectomies
  • Um...Ok...Now this stuff is getting out of control.

    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/21/georgia-democrats-to-propose-limitations-on-vasectomies-for-men/?hpt=hp_bn1
    Georgia Democrats propose limitations on vasectomies for men

    As members of Georgia’s House of Representatives
    debate whether to prohibit abortions for women more than 20 weeks
    pregnant, House Democrats  introduced their own reproductive rights
    plan: No more vasectomies that leave "thousands of children ... deprived
    of birth."


    Rep. Yasmin Neal, a Democrat from the Atlanta suburb of Jonesboro, planned on Wednesday to introduce HB 1116, which would prevent men from vasectomies unless needed to avert serious injury or death.


    The bill reads: "It is patently unfair that men avoid the rewards of
    unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters
    is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly. ... It is the
    purpose of the General Assembly to assert an invasive state interest in
    the reproductive habits of men in this state and substitute the will of
    the government over the will of adult men."


    “If we legislate women’s bodies, it’s only fair that we legislate
    men’s,” said Neal, who said she wanted to write bill that would generate
    emotion and conversation the way anti-abortion bills do. “There are too
    many problems in the state. Why are you under the skirts of women? I’m
    sure there are other places to be."


    Personally, Neal said, she has no qualms with vasectomies.


    “But even if it were proposed as a serious issue,” she said, “it’s
    still not my place as a woman to tell a man what to do with his body."




    The anti-vasectomy bill was a response to a bill that would punish abortions performed after the 20th
    week of pregnancy with prison sentences between one and 10 years.
    Georgia law currently prohibits abortion after the second trimester,
    except to preserve the life and health of the mother. Neal's bill
    borrows some language directly from the anti-abortion bill.


    The anti-abortion bill makes exceptions to avert death or “serious
    risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major
    bodily function” of the mother, but doesn’t include “diagnosis or claim
    of a mental or emotional condition.” If an abortion occurs after the
    20th week, the bill requires doctors to attempt to deliver a living
    baby.


    Earlier discussions about the bill have been “outstanding,” said Rep.
    Doug McKillip, a Republican from Athens, Georgia, who introduced the anti-abortion bill
    this month. He said legislators are “drilling down" on questions about
    when a fetus can feel pain and what exceptions can allow abortions later
    in pregnancy, and he expects more testimony late this week.


    “I’m just disappointed in my colleague, that they would take this
    opportunity to make light of a very important topic,” McKillip said. “I
    believe this is a serious topic deserving of serious debate. It feels
    like a poor attempt at humor.”


    Neal said she's serious about making legislators recognize women's rights to make private decisions about their bodies.


    "I hope that through the madness this has caused, it gets him to
    understand where the woman is coming from," she said. "There are a
    number of women in other states trying the same ploys we’re trying
    here."


    Earlier this month, Democratic Oklahoma Sen. Constance Johnson added then withdrew
    a provision to an anti-abortion bill that read "any action in which a
    man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman's
    vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn
    child." The state Senate passed the bill this month.


    In January, as the Virginia state Senate debated a bill that required
    women to have an ultrasound before an abortion, Democrat Janet Howell
    attached an amendment that required men to have rectal exams and cardiac
    stress tests before they could receive prescriptions for erectile
    dysfunction medication like Viagra. The amendment was rejected in the
    Senate, 21-19.


    CNN affiliate WAVY
    reported that hundreds gathered this week to protest the ultrasound
    bill,  which is up for a vote in Virginia's House of Delegates, and
    another that says life begins at conception.


    On the Georgia House floor, Neal doesn't anticipate her anti-vasectomy bill will generate much serious debate.


    "If it moves anywhere," she said, "that’ll be a very interesting day."









    Post by: CNN's Jamie Gumbrecht Filed under: Abortion • Georgia • Health • Politics





  • For those of you with short attention spans, here is the key parts from the article. It is being proposed by dems in answer to the anti-abortion legislation:

    The bill reads: "It is patently unfair that men avoid the rewards of
    unwanted fatherhood by presuming that their judgment over such matters
    is more valid than the judgment of the General Assembly. ... It is the
    purpose of the General Assembly to assert an invasive state interest in
    the reproductive habits of men in this state and substitute the will of
    the government over the will of adult men."


    “If we legislate women’s bodies, it’s only fair that we legislate
    men’s,” said Neal, who said she wanted to write bill that would generate
    emotion and conversation the way anti-abortion bills do. “There are too
    many problems in the state. Why are you under the skirts of women? I’m
    sure there are other places to be."




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  • DemandaDemanda
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    How about they legislate no one's bodies?  Wouldn't that be even more fair?
    "The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off." ~ Gloria SteinemPhotobucket
  • sanityseekersanityseeker
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    #-o
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  • Well, yes. But I don't believe this is real "legislation" this is to make a point that as long as women's bodies are being regulated men should get equal treatment. At least, that is pretty much what the quoted legislators said.

    "There are too many problems in the state. Why are we under the skirts of women? I'm sure there are other places to be." <-------That quote made me
    :D
  • DemandaDemanda
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    And I probably should've read the whole thing...  haha I stopped at your first paragraph.  My bad.   :\">
    "The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off." ~ Gloria SteinemPhotobucket
  • LA_PygmyHerderLA_PygmyHerder
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    Then they need to outlaw male masterbation and arrest anyone with "nighttime emissions" I think I like that woman. Show them their double standard. Sometimes it's the only way to get it through to some people. But people will take it seriously and crusify her for it.
  • @firsttimemommy - preachin' to the choir lady!!

    And, @MommyDearest (I always think of wire hangers....) I knew no one would read it, that was why I pulled out the excerpt.

    Personally, I think it is kind of a funny smart ass move. I mean.....

    I don't think this will EVER pass - because the GOP doesn't see men's balls the same as a women's eggs / uterus.

    I'm kind of diggin' her myself. My (republican) husband told me about this. He didn't read it either. I started laughing when I read it. Take that!
  • AnonUser37
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    I love it!!!
  • AnonMomAnonMom
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    Oh good, double standards trying to be taught in politics.  The day that shit is understood is the day that.....hmmmm....let me get back to ya!

    I hadn't heard this one yet and I'm in GA!  I think she has a valid point.  I think trying to show the ridiculousness of the situation is important.  At this point, after all this time and discussion after discussion, I think something as over the top as this needs to be done.
  • LoveLove
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    I read the title "Georgia Proposes to Limit Vasectomies"
    and thought Wow, you mean men have more than one vasectomy? Why would you need to legislate that?

    I know. My blonde is showing!

    community-manager


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  • runbitchrunrunbitchrun
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    No more vasectomies that leave "thousands of children ... deprived of birth."

    Does that mean that every time I have a period, I'm depriving that child of birth? Hmmm... so silly.
  • LoveLove
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    @Runbitchrun WHERE the HAIL have you BEEN ?

    community-manager


  • @runbitchrun - Did you read the article? Or the parts that I highlighted LOL.This is a "response" proposition.
  • runbitchrunrunbitchrun
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    I've been out of the pic for a while, I know and I'm sorry. Things got a little tough around here and I've been trying to get it straightened out. I'm back though... :-)
  • AnonMomAnonMom
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    Actually, every time you have your period your body would be preparing itself to get pregnant.
  • runbitchrunrunbitchrun
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    Yeah, I read the article... its ridiculous... gotta love politics...
  • runbitchrunrunbitchrun
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    @love thanks for noticing I was back, I was thinking no one remembered me... :((
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  • stinkersmommystinkersmommy
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    I think instead of limiting them though they should require them for some. Yay know like the dudes on Maury who have like 6 babies by 6 different women born like weeks apart and ain't claiming a one
  • DemandaDemanda
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    @mammateeroll - did you see the joke they made about that on SNL last week?  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CT0Yr9rvcc  It starts at about 2:00 minutes, pretty funny.
    "The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off." ~ Gloria SteinemPhotobucket
  • @stinkersmommy - No no. That would not be fair. Let's stink our hands down there pants and play with 'em a little! :)
  • meandmy243meandmy243
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    Umm ok.. Glad im not in georgia... 20+ week abortions thats another story.. Can you imagine being 38weeks along i mean come on..
    let them eat cake! because id rather have pie!!!
  • I don't think people are having abortions at 38 weeks. That's murder. Once the fetus is viable. It's not about allowing abortions at all times - its about men putting their hands up my skirt and telling me what to do.
  • TypoFaeryTypoFaery
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    Sorry if this offends but I couldnt resist. Dont hate me @lark :)) someone said every sperm is sacred...

    And yes they should be shown to be the intrusive hypocrites that they are being. Since when is it o.k for a bunch of MEN to decide what is best for a woman. Until the day they can carry the children it will always be a WOMANS issue.


  • CalliopemarieCalliopemarie
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    I am pro choice.  i believe there shouldnt be a problem with abortion.  If you dont want to do it dont do it and have the baby.  however dont tell someone else that they cant have an abortion because you think its wrong.  we are all different people with different opinions.  thats what makes us human  the key to peace is not trying to force your beliefs and opinions on other people 
  • TypoFaeryTypoFaery
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    @firsttimemommy I know you were being sarcastic, hence the monty python.. :)
  • AnonMomAnonMom
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    So, you're period is the cleaning out process that allows the ovulation to happen which is the time where conception is possible.  So, technically, your period is part of the process of preparing your body to get pregnant.  Without one, I wouldn't think you could have the other. ie a safe environment for fertilization.
  • FreeToBeMee
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    I happen to love the idea of the legislation, just to make obvious how invasive and absurd the "other" side sounds. No one expects it to go anywhere. Its sad that we have to have things like 'Response Legislation" but if it works to highlight the hypocrisy, I'm all for it. 
    Im so glad that a Womens March on Washington is being planned. I am so there ! Last I checked there was no oil and no jobs in my vagina so how about everyone stay the hell outta there !!
  • @FreeToBeMee - LOVE this "Last I checked there was no oil and no jobs in my vagina so how about everyone stay the hell outta there!!"

    That was the SHIT!!!
    =))
  • RedTiger
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    I love what shes trying to do but i don't think vasectomies is going to get the point across. Maybe its just where i live but about 90% of the men i know would be happy as hell if vasectomies were totally outlawed. They think of it as being "neutered" and would make them "less of a man".
  • TatesMomma410
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    Sorry to be hopping into the middle of a conversation, but I couldn't resist. Is this for real??? Last time I checked, this was a free country and American citizens should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. I can NOT believe "the powers that be" that sit in Atlanta would be ok with many many more children living off the state because their parents didn't make sure Mr. Johnson had his raincoat on. What do they think is going to happen if they pass this bill? Suddenly every single pregnancy will be welcomed and treasured as it should be? Sorry, I just think this is absolutely ridiculous.
  • @TatesMomma410 - of course you can jump in!! :D

    This is kind of for real. Yes it's being proposed, but is a reaction to the all male panel currently part of the abortion legislation that is being proposed.

    And, @Lark - you know, I don't agree with you on abortion - but AWESOME point about men passing Roe v Wade.