#165757 Dealing with Bullies
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I hate when I see a kid being mean to other kids, and their parents see it but continue to sit there and say nothing! Get off your butt and be a paret!!!
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If it's intense bullying, I'd probably step in.
If it's just kids being kids, I leave it. Kids have to learn to work stuff out on their own. We can't always be there to moderate and control every situation.
Of course, this depends on the situation. If I saw a kid beating the crap out of another kid on the playground, I'd flip at the parents if they weren't doing anything. There is a line and if it's crossed, I sure would step in.
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I agree with @I_am_a_thunderbird. It depends on the extremity of the bullying, and also, *where*.If it's at a park, or some other public place, where I witness it, I might also have a quick quiet chat with my kids as a heads-up to watch out for the kid(s) getting bullied. They are very outspoken and will take up for other kids when they perceive wrongdoing.If it's physical, pushing, biting, hitting, etc, I absolutely would step in and put a stop to it, and try to find the adult responsible for the bully.If you get no satisfaction from the parents, and it continues or escalates...what can you do? Can you go to the police and press charges or file a report on a 10 year old?
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I had my first experience with this at the park the other day. My DD is four, and she is delayed, plus she doesn't speak the same language as many of the children do in our neighbourhood. Two girls, maybe eight or nine, were making fun of her for not talking, pushing her around on the stairs up to the slide, blocking her way and not letting her pass by on the equipment. It made me so sad, cause DD didn't know they were being mean, she just wanted to play with them. Their father was just standing there watching. I was absolutely fuming and giving the kids and Dad really dirty looks until the pushed her while she was on the stairs, then I flipped out on the Dad after he didn't say anything. I mean, come on! He was totally watching what they were doing, can you not see they are being little shits?
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I know a person who has a son who's my son's age. The 2 kids have known each other since they were babies. My kid is delayed across the board, he loves to play with other kids, is very sensitive and rarely is mean to other kids. The other is gifted, tattles, makes fun of my child's speech, etc. It drives me crazy when he teases my son. His mom will say something but he always weasels himself out of trouble. I try not to let a child get me angry but man, oh, man, sometimes I want to shake that kid. (at least my kid is cute and smiles all the time!) :P
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We've gone through different levels and acts of bullying toward my son in the last 4-5 yrs. Now, I know he's not an angel and that he has his own issues. However, that does not mean that some kid has the right to bully him. My son has this need to have others like him and when he is rebuffed he acts out. All that aside, when he's not doing anything and still getting bullied?! Something has got to give. The first extreme case was in the 1st grade. We lived in a small town where everybody knows everybody's dog's business. We were also new. The teacher's son and all his buddies that he had known since birth decided my son wasn't cool enough. They teased, kicked, hit, ignored, etc. We brought it to the teacher's attention. All she said was that she didn't notice anything. I was a frequent visitor in the class and I had seen. Other parents had seen too. It got so bad that we went to the principal. When she turned a blind eye, we threatened to go to the superintendent and school board if needed. That school is lucky we moved. Through all of that we told our son that he couldn't start it, but he had our permission to end it!
The most recent was this past football season. The league does two ages per team. Well the parents of this kid that it's a year older and much bigger than my son are really cool people and we formed a parent relationship with them over the course of the season. But we noticed on the field during practice that this older kid would pick on our son. He'd push him down for no reason and get the other boys to gang up on him. Kinda let it slide because, well boys can be boys and it was football practice and our son didn't complain about it. The breaking point was when we went to their house for a get together. It appeared to only be wrestling. And then I sort of hid to watch. This other boy had pure hate and venom in his look as he tried to hurt my son. Once I brought to my husband's attention he noticed it too. We were out of there in less than 20 min and never went back. Figured we wouldn't say anything because this football season they're not on the same team and they are no longer in the same school.
I'm a firm believer in the "you can't start it, but you can finish it" mentality. I will also use all my resources if I feel it has gotten completely out of hand. I know my child isn't perfect, but he sure isn't a monster like some of these other kids.
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I'm also a believer in the "don't start it, but finish it" mentality. Saved my brothers quite a bit when we were kids, because we were always the "new" kids in school and therefore prime bullying material. It was awful.
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This reminds me of one day dh and I were walking with the kids to the pool. There were some boys about 12-14 picking on some boys about 8-10. Dh walked up to the older boys and said "you think it makes you seem cool picking on these kids? No, it makes you look like a bunch of little punks too scared to pick on someone your own size!" Now, dh is a pretty big guy covered in tats and is a little scary to kids who don't know him. Their eyes were saucers! They took off down the street. Ha. I think they crapped their pants!
I absolutely believe in saying something, even something simple like that.Suck it up buttercup! -
onetime said:
This reminds me of one day dh and I were walking with the kids to the pool. There were some boys about 12-14 picking on some boys about 8-10. Dh walked up to the older boys and said "you think it makes you seem cool picking on these kids? No, it makes you look like a bunch of little punks too scared to pick on someone your own size!" Now, dh is a pretty big guy covered in tats and is a little scary to kids who don't know him. Their eyes were saucers! They took off down the street. Ha. I think they crapped their pants!
I absolutely believe in saying something, even something simple like that.
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Last encounter I had was around some 10-12 yo's. 2 boys were picking on the 3rd calling him gay and making fun of him for appearing to be gay. I went up and was like, hey guys it's really none of your business and even if it was it's not a reason to pick on someone. That'd be like me picking on you because you're a boy and I'm a girl. We're different, but I'm pretty sure that if you weren't being rude we'd be able to get along just fine. That's when momma bear stepped in and tried telling me "that's what boys do." EXCUSE ME WHY DON'T YOU TELL THAT TO THE PARENTS WHO HAVE LOST KIDS TO SUICIDE BECAUSE THEY WERE BULLIED FOR THEIR SEXUALITY!!! MAYBE IF YOU SHOWED RESPECT YOUR BOYS WOULD LEARN RESPECT FOR OTHERS and so on and so forth with my rant.
X( <----that right there was my face
Bullying really gets to me, I was bullied, mainly because my mom was (is) fat and we were poor. Still doesn't excuse that type of behaviour.
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I'm the kind of mom that will grab a bully by his scruff, drag him to his momma's, and let her know what's going on. If she looks like she'll handle the little turd, I'll let it be.
If she's all "my kid can do no wrong", I'm not afraid to show MY kid just how you handle a bully. I believe one lady here calls it shanking? I'd shank a bitch for my kids. Maybe that's what makes me a scary mommy? >:) -
Unfortunately we've had to deal with this recently. A kid twice my ds8's size has been picking on him on the bus. Broke his glasses etc, some of you saw that thread. Well, the school was pretty awesome about it, but not much they can do about restitution and such. I didn't get to talk to the kid's granparents who are his guardians, but the vice principal relayed the message to them that they were lucky I'm not hot to call the cops because I very well could have pressed charges on this kid. But I didn't because he's 10 and I really don't want to press charges on a 10 year old. Doesn't mean I won't though if it persists. And yes, I would have said this to their faces had I been able to.
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I was bullied in middle school and am scared everyday my ds6 will get bullied. It breaks my heart to even think about it.
I am one the would say something no matter how the scene played out. If im there no kid will get bullied! -
@girdyolee - I do call it shanking. Handy for bullies.
We've handled them a number of different ways. Last district I took it to the school board and filed a complaint. Then we moved. -
I agree. My kids know I will NOT tolerate them being a bully. I tell them I understand they don't have to like everyone, but they do not have to taunt or tease either. My oldest, for some reason, is a major bully magnet and has been tormented his whole middle school and so far high school life. He has ZERO friends. The friends he thought he had were just fakes..it's very sad and it makes me want to go postal on them.
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I know what this feels like I was picked on and my ds 8 is bullied horribly. Part of the reason I want to get him into karate is to learn how to defend himself. These damn kids gang up on him 3 to 1 and pin him to the ground. Talking to the parents does nothing because they let their kids wander around all day without checking on them and half of them don't give a shit if they get punished by their parents. They just laugh. Ds is to intimidated by dh to learn from him.i am insane!!! mwahahahaha
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@LivinTheDream, I thought it was you that used "shank"... which has become one of my favorite words, by the way! :)
Shanking comes in handy for LOTS of things.
Why can't parents just raise their kids to be tolerant of others differences??? That's how I'm raising MY three! I won't tolerate ignorance to special needs children, people of color, kids with weight issues, their sexual orientation, or anything else. If I ever catch my kid, or hear about them judging someone else for who they are, they will be in deep shit. I firmly believe that ignorance is the biggest reason for all the pain and suffering in the world. Get rid of ignorant people, and you find world peace.
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Why can't parents just raise their kids to be tolerant of others
differences??? That's how I'm raising MY three! I won't tolerate
ignorance to special needs children, people of color, kids with weight
issues, their sexual orientation, or anything
else. If I ever catch my kid, or hear about them judging someone else
for who they are, they will be in deep shit. I firmly believe that
ignorance is the biggest reason for all the pain and suffering in the
world. Get rid of ignorant people, and you find world peace.
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
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@GirdyOlee - You can raise your kids to be tolerant, but things often change once they get to school and get around other kids.
A lot of times, kids will join in to fit in. If they join in, they end up getting picked on too.
It's not as easy as just raising them to be accepting, loving and tolerant. Not in today's world.
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I wanted to add, my DS3 and he's going to face his own challenges being First Nations.
I am raising him to be tolerant of all races, colours, etc.
That being said, depending on what happens when he goes to school and the group of kids he ends up with, I fully realize he may tease another kid to avoid getting teased himself. Doesn't make it right and obviously I'll deal with it, but like I said, it's not always that easy.
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@i_am_a_thunderbird, You're right. And, while I can't be there all the time to make sure, I hope (hope) they remember I've taught them better. I sure hope I've instilled in them a sense of individuality. To be a leader, and not a follower. That way, other kids will see how brave it is to stand alone for the RIGHT reasons and possibly choose the same path. I also want them to be the "port in the storm" that kids who ARE bullied can come to, because they know they have at least one ally. I hope I'm teaching them to be brave.
And if all else fails, I remind them that there have been school shootings where bullied kids show up and mow their classmates down. Wouldn't it be nice to not have a gun pointed at you because you were the only person nice to them? It's a scare tactic, I know. Probably not the best advice to give... but I'm doing the best I can.
I hope no one ever teases your son. Being First Nation is beautiful, and unique! He should ALWAYS be proud of that heritage. Of course you already know that. Just know there are mommy's out here that are trying to raise 'em up right. And if your son and my daughter are ever in a situation where one needs to protect the other... I'm confident we've done our jobs as mommies and they WILL do the right thing.
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@GirdyOlee - Exactly. All we can do as parents is raise them right and hope for the best. It's frustrating as hell, but I guess that's just how it is.
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Honestly, I am terrified that my son will be a bully. He is hot headed and fiercely independent. His mind works too well for his age, and he is more sensitive and aware then he should be at this age. He doesnt cope well with little toddlers coming and snatching a toy off him. He has also learned his life skills from me, and while I am nice as pie to EVERYONE in real life, i just wont take shit. Ive taken too much over the years, and I just wont tolerate it.Last summer I went away with my Godmother and her sons, The oldest one is 10, and hes the nicest most caring boy, just a little nerdy. he was 'writing a novel' and while his little brother (8) was playing football with all the other kids staying nearby, 10yo was sitting at a picnic table writing his novel. It was cool, the kids were happy! UNTIL these 2 little bitches, about the same age as the 10yo came over and grabbed his book from under his pen and ran away with it, teasing him, reading bits out of it and laughing and throwing the book to each other. The other kids all joined in. The younger brother ran over and punched the oldest boy who was joining in throwing the book into the wet grass and ruining it, and i marched straight over to the girls that instigated it and snatched the book off them. I said 'WHAT do you think you are doing!?' They looked like they wanted to die! I said 'You girls are old enough to know better. That is nothing but bullying, and its disgraceful behaviour. You owe somebody an apology.' I marched them over to the 10yo and they both apologised. Then the mother of one of the girls came out and she went over crying. The mum then marched over to me all 'EXCUUUUUUSE ME! WHO do you think you are!?? WHAT did you say to my daughter!!??' I told her very calmly how I told her to STOP bullying Conor, and that she should be ashamed of herself for what she was doing, and that I told her to apologise. The mum just stared at me! She was obviously a lot older than me, and was trying to belittle me! NOT gonna happen. Her kid was bullying. She tried everything to get out of admitting that her daughter was in the wrong. She pointed at some random kid and said how my child was swearing. I got to say 'ehhh, MY child is the toddler playing in the sand box...' She eventually had to just say sorry to me for reacting that way, and made sure her daughter had apologised.Basically I wont tolerate bullying, from my child or anyone else's. I cant stay quiet. I just cant!Oh, @Love, Benjis all about defending other kids too, its awesome!! He took on a boy twice his size in Tenerife cause he was bullying a tiny little Chinese girl. It was brilliant! Benji hit him square in the face with a plastic ball from a ball pit, only after the big guy had pelted the little girl about 30 times. I was so proud of him! It made the big guy start on B, but he could handle it no problem!"Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter." - Dr. Seuss
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As a kid a bully was picking on my much smaller friend. I just lost it, tackled him and beat the crap out of him. Fortunately that was a long time ago because I could have gotten in trouble with the current anti-bullying issues. The bully never picked on my friend again.
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I have a view on this that might be a little different.
I think there are two kinds of things that may being talked about here. One is nasty bullying on the basis of things that are out of the victim's control: poor, looks, name...weak...that sort of thing. Bullying is mean, nasty and the effects are scary.
But, I feel nervous when I hear "bullying" being talked about in the sort of general playground politics of children. I have four boys and they aren't mean, but they have always been aggressive with each other and other kids over toys, arguments more quickly got physical with other kids (now that they are older they have control, but when they were preschool age). I notice that some kids play another side of the situation and enjoy "being the victim" and constantly tattling and crying over lost tug-o-wars over toys and as the parent of the stronger child I am expected to charge in and save the victim. I feel like the victim needs to learn to fend off my thugs so that they know how to be "bully proof" in the future. My guys, I repeat, are now older and not bullies, they have all channelled their aggression to the sports field, where they all excel, but I some of my friends kids who never learned to bully proof themselves are still targets now that the bullying tends to be more personal and emotional with the older kids and meaner bullies.
I guess what I'm saying is that I wish parents gave their kids a chance to save themselves, from being stuck in trees, from aggressive friends. I feel like some of this bully panic bleeds over into helicopter parenting.
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Also, I admit that I would cheer inside when some little firecracker would give one of my guys what was coming to them. Then if they dared come crying to me I would sadly inform them that is why you don't go ________________________ fill in the blank. Taking other kids toys, trying to push in line, etc; etc;
















