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Young Mothers, has anyone else experienced this?
  • GisleyandHank
    Posts: 300Member

     I had DD when I was 19. I was married and both my husband and I had jobs. But before I could take my baby home from the hospital, I had to be interviewed by a social woker and my home had to be inspected. No one had told me about this beforehand. When I asked why they were doing it they told me it was "standard practice for young mothers." Before you ask (and people always do when I tell this story), I've never done drugs, there was nothing in my system that might have caused concern.


     My good friend also had her DD at 19. She mentioned to her mother that she was tired of having to pee in a cup every single time she went in for a prenatal checkup. When her mom told her that wasn't normal, she confronted the nurses and was told it was their policy for young mothers to undergo regular drug screenings.


     Where do you draw the line between "young mother" and just "mother"? We were both legally adults. Does anyone else see anything wrong with this? Has anyone else experienced this?


     As a side note, this has set me up with a permanant fear that my children will be taken from me by social services, and I will be judged more harshly, for being a "young mother"

  • AnonUser30
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    I had my daughter at 19, she was diagnosed special needs when I was 20 and NEVER had that happen. Where do you live?
  • MarySunshineMarySunshine
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    I'm sorry you had to go through that! I was not considered a young mother at 27, so I was not subjected to that.

    If it makes your friend feel better I did have to pee in a cup at each and every prenatal visit for both my beasties. I am not, nor have I ever been a drug user. That policy might just the particular practice she went to.

    I can see why they have concerns, because there are *some* young mothers who just can't, won't or don't get their shit together by the time the baby comes. However, that does not mean all young mothers,or young parents are like that. I'm sure there are plenty of us "normal" aged mothers who are worse off than most young mothers.

    Methinks they should extend the same "courtesy" to all parents....not just young parents.
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  • blkrosemommablkrosemomma
    Posts: 296Member
    It's a social stigma really that you are judged or feel judged by peers for being a "young mother". What most of society fails to realize or seems to wipe from the record is that those young mothers 50-60 years ago were just mothers. I have never heard of either of those things being standard practice without a reason behind them and I would contact a lawyer about your hospital practicing prejudice against you for your age. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
  • momofdbbmomofdbb
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    What!?!? I have never heard about that. Ok I was 23 when I had my first but still. I did have to do a pee test every visit but I didn't ask because my mom had issues when she was pregnant.
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  • LLB
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    Omg that is rediculous IMO! I have never heard of such a thing!

    19 is an adult. You were married and had no criminal/drug history and they had to check out your place before taking your baby home? I can see if there were red flags that something bad would happen but when a 19 married *woman* has a baby I don't see that as either a young mother nor a risky situation unless there is reason to believe so.

    Sounds like everything was fine they just wanted to butt in because you are "young"

  • blkrosemommablkrosemomma
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    I have never had to pee in a cup for any of my prenatals. It's strange because I hear horror stories all the time about how awful hospitals can be and how they don't let you deliver the way you want or have much say in what happens but I have not had any of those issues with my hospital or Dr's office. I go to Group Health and Overlake hospital in Bellevue Wa. 
  • [Deleted User]
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    I've never heard of them inspecting a young mother's house. Crazy! Oh, and at my gyno's office, every pregnant woman pees in a cup every visit. They check for stuff like protein in your urine.
    I was fairly young when I had my first (22), and mostly get "Oh, these are YOURS? You just look so young.." I just can't believe they interviewed you/ inspected your house! I know plenty of people who are more unfit than some young moms. Maybe they should do this for everyone!
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  • CanadianMamaCanadianMama
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    yeah @notsohotmomma my obgyn is the same way. Pee in a cup every visit. I was 27 when I had Rylee.

    I'm sorry you're being treated like that, that is NOT okay! 19 is young, but not that young! I hate stereotypes, they make me angry! 
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  • WOW! I would be so pissed off!  I also had my DD at 19.  I did have to pee in the cup during all my prenatal visits but I think that is pretty normal for anybody who goes in.  I have never heard of home visits for young mothers though.  That sounds really fishy to me, I would get in contact with a lawyer or someone who can give you answers.  That's just wrong!
  • Thefinder
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    Up here we have to pee in a cup every time to check for protein in our urine.  Young mother, old mother, doesn't matter, it is just a health check.
  • squishsquish
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    Maybe it does depend on where you live. My cousin had a baby at 18 and no social worker talked to her or had to judge her competency as a mother.

    And at 26, I had to pee in a cup at every dr. visit. I think they were testing for high sugar levels or something. I did have gd but every pregnant woman at the practice had to do it.
  • squishsquish
    Posts: 743Member
    Thefinder said:

    Up here we have to pee in a cup every time to check for protein in our urine.  Young mother, old mother, doesn't matter, it is just a health check.



    Protein! That is what i was thinking of. Sorry, all day training at work has fried my brain

  • LLB
    Posts: 3,304Member
    Oops forgot to talk about peeing in a cup. I had my twins when I was 23 and had to pee in a cup every visit. I never asked what they do with the pee but that is normal practice for every pregnant woman at my obgyn.

    I'll have to ask what they do with it when I go make my donation tomorrow...
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    Not only have I never heard of that, it's certainly something that could be legally refused.  Is this policy linked to the hospital or local child protective services?  It's outrageous and there is not supposed to be any involvement with a family in that manner unless a report has been made. 

    It's a clear (to me) civil rights violation.   I understand having that fear, because I had my son (first) young and I was given all sorts of grief in the hospital when he was born and my mother had to tell them I was going home with her for them to let me leave with my baby.

    Now, to be clear, there was drug use in my past but not beyond the point I had discovered I was pregnant.  I had been something of a partier and when I discovered I was pregnant I told the docs that I'd partaken before learning I was pregnant.  I had to pee in a cup for every prenatal visit but I just assumed it was because I was being seen at a military hospital (my father being in the Air Force, I was still an AF dependent due to my age and status as a student)...  so they knew that there was no drug use during pregnancy. Still, when he was born, they started yelling at me about my "drug problem"and threatening to call CPS.  It was horrible.

    I was terrified from day one that they'd try and take him from me somehow. 

    But yeah, that is not normal and not okay!
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  • Thefinder
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    Test for protein in your urine, to screen for pre-eclampsia @Llb
  • AnonUser35
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    I was 30 with my first, and I had to pee in a cup for every single OB visit...everyone did.

    I don't think the home inspection is normal. That sounds like something that would be done for foster or adopting parents. However, it could be a policy implemented by that specific hospital. ??
  • irishlassirishlass
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    Ehh what is that about!? I had my son at 17 and I never got any of that, and I was legally a child! 

    We pee in the cup here to test for glucose/protein/ketones. Thats totally normal.

    Is there absolutely any reason that you are unfit to look after your child?? because if there isn't, then you can tell them where to go!! 

    Also, I believe as young mothers we DO get judged a little more harshly, in certain circumstances. I have had playdates where the mum never calls me again because of my age. I can tell this because of the reaction when I tell them. Its a bit shit, but we have to live with our choices, yano? You've got to believe in yourself, be comfortable in yourself, so that it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks because you have the inner confidence. Its easier said than done, I know! 

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  • sunnymommasunnymomma
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    OMG I had my DD at 17, i turned 17 two months before she was born, and in  no way was i ever discriminated against at the dr or either hospital involved in her birth!!! Id be looking into that if i were you!!! Horrible! 
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  • BellaBefanaBellaBefana
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    uh, i've never heard of it either.  The peeing in the cup, however, that is standard, they dipstick your urine for sugar, protein, etc.  I don't know why they would have told your friend otherwise, I've never heard it being standard to screen for drugs at office visits, unless there was some reason/history of drug use or abuse.  That's ridiculous.  Now, before any parent was discharged with their babies, the hospital I delivered had a brief little "class."  Stuff like what to do once you got home...but nothing like an interview, that I'm aware of...though I was 46 when I had my daughter, so I could be wrong.
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  • lovinmom
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    I was 19 when I had my son. I had to pee in a cup every visit for protein. I was never talked to by anyone or had any visits. Wait now that I think about it, are you on state funded insurance? My ex lost his job and insurance when I was pregnant with my daughter and so the state picked me up. When she was born they sent someone out to check on living situations and make sure she was being taken care of. No drugs or any problems with my daughter.
  • sunnymommasunnymomma
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    Really curious to know what hospital this was at! 
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  • stinkersmommystinkersmommy
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    @gisleyandhank I was 27 and had to pee in cup every visit and had the first home visit too and when I asked why I was told that since I was on Medicaid and WIC while I was preggo that it was a standard practice to ensure that we had a safe home for the baby so no it isn't an age thing its a since you are on assistance we have the right to be nosy asses (u wouldn't be in SC would you)
  • chaosmomchaosmom
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    I was 17 when I had my 1st and never had any issues like this at all!! I was on Medicaid during that pregnancy but never had anyone check out my home or anything of the sort. That's freaking nuts.
  • wtfwit
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    I was 15 when I had my 1st. I had to speak with a social worker because I was so young, but I never had any homevisits or anything else after that visit with her at my obgyn. Peeing in a cup here, I'm told, is to check for proteins or sugar in the urine. I saw all women, all ages peeing in cups so I assume it was normal practice? Your situation doesnt seem that way.
  • shadylaneshadylane
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    even if ur on assistance, when the baby is born and tested for drugs, if nothing shows up they have no reason to take it any further. there is no cause for investigation so they have no right to make u have a home visit. u def could have refused, but since u had nothing to hide i guess its good to show them they're wrong, but i would have demanded an explanation. and made it clear that i knew what they were doing was wrong and the only reason i was allowing them to invade my privacy was to prove them wrong.
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  • GisleyandHank
    Posts: 300Member
    Well now I wish I hadn't been so naive when I had my first, I might have done something about all that. Both my friend and I were in Western Oregon, but different hospitals. I didn't have insurance, Medicaid or otherwise. Very strange that no one else has ever heard of this. Ugh, it makes me mad to think about it.
  • LLB
    Posts: 3,304Member
    Medicaid rules must vary by state. I was on medicaid when my twins were born and they never had to come to our home for an inspection!
  • shadylaneshadylane
    Posts: 3,037Member
    u weren't even on assistance, ugh that is age discrimination pure and simple. it is illegal.
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  • miamental
    Posts: 4Member
    I am in the same boat sweetie. I had my daughter at 21 and it was only by happenstance that I was pregnant during my wedding.  I get a lot of problems with people judging me thinking that I am unfit because I happen to have a 2yo at 23. It isn't fair how they judge every young mother to be unfit.
  • LoveLove
    Posts: 12,783Administrator, Moderator

     I had DD when I was 19. I was married and both my husband and I had jobs. But before I could take my baby home from the hospital, I had to be interviewed by a social woker and my home had to be inspected. No one had told me about this beforehand. When I asked why they were doing it they told me it was "standard practice for young mothers." Before you ask (and people always do when I tell this story), I've never done drugs, there was nothing in my system that might have caused concern.


     My good friend also had her DD at 19. She mentioned to her mother that she was tired of having to pee in a cup every single time she went in for a prenatal checkup. When her mom told her that wasn't normal, she confronted the nurses and was told it was their policy for young mothers to undergo regular drug screenings.


     Where do you draw the line between "young mother" and just "mother"? We were both legally adults. Does anyone else see anything wrong with this? Has anyone else experienced this?


     As a side note, this has set me up with a permanant fear that my children will be taken from me by social services, and I will be judged more harshly, for being a "young mother"



    I was 25 when I had my first child, and I wasn't interviewed by a social worker, but I *did* have a home visit, when we had been home about a week or so...but that was because he was a preemie, and we both almost died. They assigned someone to come check on us about once a month for the first three months, just to make sure we were doing ok.

    I also had to pee in a cup at each and every ob/gyn visit in my entire life, pregnant or not. It's not just (or always) for drug testing purposes! They can use urinalysis to check protein and enzyme levels, and other things. 
    It's just standard practice here. You come in, you sign in, then go straight to the back and pee in a cup. Doesn't matter what you are there for LOL

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  • LoveLove
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    @fatchickonabike might can shed some more light!

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  • AnonUser28
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    I had a home visit as well, but that was a standard thing with our hospital. Everyone gets a home visit from your "health visitor" once baby has been home for a week. She checked her weight, answered my questions, gave bf tips, asked about PPD, gave phone numbers for resources, etc. 

    I do think young moms get a bad rap, and honestly, it's pretty hypocritical! Not so long ago women were married off at 16 years old and started having babies right away. 
  • Thefinder
    Posts: 1,634Member
    Oh fuck I hate those visits from the bitchy twat waffle home nurses @PallasAthene.   The last one I had called CPS on me because I couldn't vacuum after my c-section so there was dog hair on my carpet and furniture, god forbid I have a dog that sheds.  She even went as far to suggest I get rid of my dog.  Oh that and my 2 plates from supper and a pot.....she was a complete CUNTBAG
  • AnonUser27
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    I remember I had the option of having a home visit from the lactation specialist if I was having any problems, queations or concerns. I declined.
  • AnonUser34
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    I had my DD when I was 19 and nothing like that other then peeing in a cup happen to me, which that's normal even when I had my DS I had to and I was 27 their checking protein/suger/ infections etc..
  • meandmy243meandmy243
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    Wait peeing in a cup isnt normal at every visit... Social worker yes cause my sons issues.. But i had my first at 16 and second at 22....
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  • mommyof2_76
    Posts: 342Member
    I had my DS when I was 22 and was on Medicaid and didn't have a home visit. But I did have to pee in a cup every time. They test it for protein and glucose with the strips and then discard the urine right away. I had DS at 35 with private insurance and same thing. I work at the hospital I delivered at and can see the notes and there are no drug tests. Then again I live in Utah so there are way younger mother's and too many babies born to have home visits.
  • Babymakesthree
    Posts: 496Member
    I had my dd at 17, didnt have to pee in a cup but did pee on a stick to check sugar and protein. No home checks but they did offer at home support which I declined.
    I know with state insurance they did drug test mothers and babies at birth, but I never experienced this as I have private insurance.
  • LargeMargeSentMe
    Posts: 120Member
    Wow, I've never heard of this and I'm shocked it's legal (if it is legal). It's pretty shameful that we make young mothers feel like criminals merely for having children and yet the useful help we provide for young women who want and need it is paltry. If, as a society, we gave a shit we would try to find a way to allow more young mothers to finish high school and college instead of placating them with cereal and peanut butter.
  • boring_nameboring_name
    Posts: 667Member

    A friend of mine had a surprise pregnancy (she didn't find out until the end that she was pg)... not only did they have multiple social workers talk to her but at least one suggested she give her children (twins) up for adoption. She was 37 and it was in 2007. 

    A requirement to interview with a social worker and a home visit sounds discriminatory. 
    B
  • LoveLove
    Posts: 12,783Administrator, Moderator

    When are urine tests performed?

    A urine test should be expected during your first prenatal exam and then at least periodically in future prenatal visits. It would be normal for your healthcare provider to monitor your urine during each visit.


    http://www.americanpregnancy.org/prenataltesting/urinetest.html

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  • LoveLove
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    and this one is a little dated (2007), but apparently, America is behind the times in post-partum social services visits..

    POSTPARTUM HEALTH CARE IN COUNTRIES OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES

    Home visits after childbirth by health-care professionals are provided in all northern and western European countries (Kamerman & Kahn, 1993). For example, in the Netherlands, women with normal pregnancies can give birth at home or birth rooms, which are operated by midwives or general practitioners in a hospital. A continuous 1-week home care program covered by insurance for normal birth mothers is provided by kraamverzorgsters, who receive a 3-year training program. This postpartum home care includes care for children and mothers and housework services.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1595301/


    If I have another baby, I'm moving to Europe. "This postpartum home care includes care for children and mothers and housework services."  Yes, please. Sign me up!

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  • LargeMargeSentMe
    Posts: 120Member
    Yes, bring on the kraamverzorgsters, whatever they are!
  • OpheliaOphelia
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    I didn't have to go through the drug screenings, but they did have me pee in a cup to check for proteins.
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  • AnonUser30
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    @mamamelody they test your blood for drugs in Florida even with private insurance. They just don't tell you.
  • JD_and_Nates_mommyJD_and_Nates_mommy
    Posts: 122Member
    I hyad my first DS when I was 16 and my second DS when I was 26, no one has ever done a home visit...but we lived with my parents when I had my big kid so IDK, although I wasn't married for either of their births.  As for the peeing in a cup at each appointment?  That is to check for protein.  It is standard practice here where I live.
  • French_momFrench_mom
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    For me it is like @PallasAthene It is standars procedure to have a nurse from your local CLSC to come and check baby weight, answer question you might have. Check you for ppd.  I was glad to have that with my first who was boderline preemie.  But for the other two.  Okay you weight, give infos for the vaccins. Then bubye i dont have more questions. And i also pee in a cup all my doc appointement. Had pre-eclampsy so it is required. Did that to my 3 pregnancy.  But @PallasAthene and I live in Québec. Might not have same health law as in the US. 
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  • fatchickonabikefatchickonabike
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    Sorry, I just saw the tag now, @Love, and the ladies are right about the pee tests, they're standard for protein when the woman is still pregnant. After the pregnancy is over, if there's no reason to suspect diabetes or a UTI or something, then there's no reason for further pee tests. The cure for pre-eclampsia is delivery.


    Here we get a visit from a home nurse about a week after the baby is born so she can weigh the baby and make sure everything's going as smoothly as possible. After that, you're on your own pretty much forever.


    As for discrimination against young mothers, I have absolutely no doubt it exists. It sucks that health-care providers, especially, would make that assumption rather than using their observation skills to see how the mom interacts with and cares for her child. People suck.


    And I'm sorry you had such a shitty experience, @Thefinder. Just what you need when you're adapting to new motherhood!

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  • Babymakesthree
    Posts: 496Member
    @livinthedream, they don't always tell people out here in california either, but they someyimes try and sneak the form into all the paperwork you sign so you don't notice if you are one of the many who sign without reading.
  • GisleyandHank
    Posts: 300Member
    With both of my kids I got a call from HealthyStart about a week after I got home. They provided home visits where they weighed, measured, gave you children's books, provided tips on getting your baby to sleep through the night, that sort of thing. It was something I could opt out of but I really appreciated it. This was completely different then the thing while I was in the hospital. They checked out my house before I could go home with baby and they never mentioned it beforehand. And I had an easy normal birth at full-term so it didn't have to do with our health, either. This is really creeping me out now, I wish I'd had a support group like this to refer to 5 years ago when this went down. I talked to my Dad about my concerns at the time but he wasn't happy with me being pregnant at 19 so he thought it was justified.