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Its just been over 2 weeks since my nieces moved out of my house and to my parents house where their mother (my sister) is living. Today I went to see my dad for Fathers day to find out she had left the house yesterday afternoon w her new fling and today at 1:30 she still hadnt return. My dad has the girls (mom is working) Well apparentlly my sisters ex called my dad and then my mom (who was at work) to inform them that my sister has been on heroin for the last several months. Not wanting to immediately believe the ex, my dad did some investigating with some acquaintances he has that are involved in that scene to find out its true. My sister is on heroin. Makes complete sense to me, the mood swings, depression, threatening suicide, face sores, nodding off. They think she is snorting it and or smoking it. We had known about her pain pill addiction but now this......
My parents dont know what to do..... They arent great w tough love and are hesitant to kick her out due to not wanting to raise the nieces 24/7. And my nieces arent doing well either. And we cant take them back bc honestly it just isnt good for my family and i have to think of my kids and husband first. Im just at a loss :( -
ahhh, shit. that's all I can say. If you can get her to accept she has a problem, NarcAnon can be a lifesaver, for all of you.>:D<Bite me, cupcake!
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First off >:D< , I know you & your parents are trying everything for your sister & nieces.
How are they doing there? Are they calmer?
I wish I knew an answer, I've watched a family struggle with this for a long time.
She's the only one that can decide if & when she wants help, unfortunately.
I don't know what would be best for the girls, her 1/2 in their life while using, or out if your parents decide to go the tough love route.
The only advice I have is to you personally. I've watched as the family I referenced above went thru hell. His sister got married to a great guy, now has 2 beautiful kids. Created a really nice family for herself, hard working, fun, kind, everything.
Her brother's struggles seemed to constantly overshadow her life, the births, etc.
We've talked about it over the years. I'll tell you the same thing I told her, if you don't mind.
Your sister's life is just that. Her life. If you're in a good place in yours, you need to fully experience & enjoy it. Good times & bad times happen to us all. Your good shouldn't be ruined by anyone else's struggles. I know you must be worried sick about your your parents, your nieces, your sister.
If you can, try to separate that from your day to day life. That it doesn't consume you & your thoughts. Enjoy your dh & little ones. These years are precious. And this could go on forever, one
crisis to the next. It's been over 12 years for this family.
From reading your other posts, it sounds like you're doing everything in your power to help your nieces along.
I hope this gets better soon, I'm so sorry you're going through this.
Watching your parents struggle must be heartbreaking.
And it can be infuriating watching someone do this to them.
Good luck, sending all of you good thoughts & prayers...
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Thanks ladies....its such a crappy situation. My nieces are happy to be with their mom in a way. The 5 yr old saw her kissing her new bf and got extremely upset. As soon as she saw me the first thing she says "mom was kissing dan all night and i told her to stop and she wouldnt so i told her i was going to tell on her" she ended up telling me, my dad, and brother. She goes on to say "why cant mom see that her life would be so much better without a man" These little girls know too much and have seen too much. My sister is oblivious to it and refuses to admit she has a drug problem.
When the 4 yr old moved in with us she had the worst stench to her urine and would constantly have accidents (poop and pee) while living with us we got her healthy (she had a uti), completely potty trained, and up to date on shots (she hadnt had a well check or immunizations since she was 15 mos old) She has reverted back to having frequent accudents and her urine smell is back. I feel like everything we done has been erased. Im so incredibly sick abt all this. Trying not to dwell on things. Its so hard to just say its my sisters life not mine when it is affecting so many people I love. As horrible as it sounds some days i just wish she'd go away forever. I hate what her addiction has done to our family and everything its taken from all of us.... My nieces, my parents, me, my brother, and my kids.
And @peace.... U didnt sound confescending at all. I know i need to separate myself from all this drama that is my sister and it would be easy to do if my nieces werent involved.
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Oh hell, I didn't realize the girls are no longer with you. But completely get how you must think of our kids first. I'm sure it still sux, though. You've been put in the middle of a very bad situation. Really though, it seems the only option is for our sister to move elsewhere. If she won't admit a problem then she won't get help. Even if she is placed somewhere, it probably won't work because of her denial. But keeping the kids around her is detrimental to them (as you have witnesses).
Is there any way the bio dad can help with the care of the kids? I imagine you are trying to keep them together and in the family, but if your parents aren't up o parenting again for the next several years and bio dad isn't an option, then realistically, ou might have to consider fostering. Those kids need and deserve a stable, loving home. One without the added stress of an addicted mother. Here has got to ba an answer and a solution out there ... but living as they are now is not it. :(I love purple; I love cats. Imagine if cats were purple ... -
This breaks my heart and hits a little too close to home...... I just lost a friend on this last Tuesday due to heroin overdose......find what might help her most and get the help/treatment she needs. Those demons never go away you just have to find a way to keep them at bay. I'll keep your family in my prayers.
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@lostinthewind *hugs* my deepest condolences. that's how my boyfriend killed himself this last christmas eve.
I fucking hate heroin. what you said was right. they never go away.. you find ways/other things (methadone) to keep them at bay..
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Huge hugs to @lostinwind and @luvlyssa. My biggest fear is losing my sister forever although in a way i feel like she is already dead. I feel hopeless bc there is nothing i can do and she wont even admit she does any type of drugs. Kind of hard to get someone help that says she doesnt do drugs.
At this point Ive decided i have to separate myself from her for the health and safety of my family. I plan on telling her i love her but im not going to sit back and watch this....do not contact me unless you are calling to say you are on your way to rehab. I will still be their for my nieces but will communicate visits through my parents.
@aloneoverseas The girls biodad lives abt 1 1/2 away. He is in worse shape than my sister if you can imagine. He is an IV drug user (admitted) and just recently found out he has contacted HepC and us constantly in out of the hospital w liver and kidney problems.... Hes not even 30 :(
Dont think i havent thought that foster or even adoption would be better for them but my mom would never go for it. She will begrudgingly raise them. I think my parents will cope w raising the girls better when they kick my sister out and dont have the stress that she brings -
Well I know this doesn't make u feel any better but heroin isn't any worse than pain pills or other opiates, its all the same shit. If she was able to get clean before she can do it again. Actually some pills are stronger than heroin. I think its the name heroin that makes people think its this hard core shit. Unless she's getting tar straight from afghanistan or some shit. But the bad part is I can almost guarantee she's shooting it, after doing pills for so long snorting them doesn't work anymore, u have to shoot it to get high and except for people that aren't every day users, people don't snort or smoke heroin, they shoot it. Its pretty much pointless any other way. (I'm assuming ur sister was doing hard shit morphine and oxy not hydrocodone) the needle is harder to quit than anything~slim shady~
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I'm an active member of a recovery message board that I think is fabulous. There is a "Friends and Family" section that you might find helpful too, it works like this board (posting threads etc) and you can be as public or anonymous as you prefer. Here's a link to the Friends and Family of Substance Abusers section.Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius, and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring. - Marilyn Monroe
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@shadylane: we dont believe she ever kicked the pain pill habit. She has never admitted a problem. She had back surgery 4 yrs ago for scoliosis and justifies her taking them bc she is in chronic pain. She takes more than her dr prescribes and now her dr will only prescribe non-narcotics to her. She was in pain management but was kicked out for failing drug tests. She will take any pain pill she can get, oxy, percs, opana.... Whatever! She is deathly afraid of needles so i just cant see her shooting..., i really dont think she has progressed there...yet.
@tothemoonandback thanks for the link. Ill check it out -
@shadylane it's www.soberrecovery.com It has forums for addicts/alcoholics as well as friends and family (and a ton of sub-forums).Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius, and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring. - Marilyn Monroe
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@lifeofchaos - I am so sorry you are dealing with this. My sister has put our family through a very similar situation and has all of her life. She has 4 children, ages 22 down to 8 yo that she has abandoned on and off throughout the years. Most of my family has written her off bc of the pain she inflicts on everyone around her. My father raised her 22 yo, the bio dad raised her 17 yo and she has only seen him 3 times in his life, and her 12 and 8 yo are with their bio dad's parents and refuse visitation with her unless she is sober. It hurts to no end to think of the pain she has inflicted on her children. I have seen first hand what it has done to her DS22 and it makes me angry and there are days where I hate her. But in the end, it is her life and the only power I have is to pray and hope she cleans up for good one day.
Only my younger sister and I speak to her (if you can call it that - we try and send her messages and most of the time we don't hear from her for months). I live far away from her so I don't have the added guilt of physically trying to save her. I just try to let her know periodically that I am here for her when/if she tries to get sober.
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My 19 year old sister is in prison right now thanks to heroin. Heroin is a bitch.
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@LifeofChaos, this is not a fun situation, and OMG Opana is horrible!! That drug is running through my town right now. It's been around for a little while, but has since become the prevalent drug responsible for overdoses. I've heard about a couple of dozen in a year's time. Heroin is just as bad. Anything that makes you chase the proverbial dragon is going to lead you nowhere fast.
I understand your position, and I think you're absolutely doing the right thing. Maybe if your sis hits rock bottom, she'll begin to see how bad her life is and what she's doing/done to her daughters. I hate to see kids caught in the middle of this. It's tragic to see such young kids who know too much about the bad stuff in the world. Big hugs to you. My sister is being a dumbass right now, too. So if you need to talk or rant or whatever, my inbox is always open!
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Lifeofchaos said:
My biggest fear is losing my sister forever although in a way i feel like she is already dead. I feel hopeless bc there is nothing i can do and she wont even admit she does any type of drugs. Kind of hard to get someone help that says she doesnt do drugs.
At this point Ive decided i have to separate myself from her for the health and safety of my family. I plan on telling her i love her but im not going to sit back and watch this....do not contact me unless you are calling to say you are on your way to rehab. I will still be their for my nieces but will communicate visits through my parents.
I could've written that a few years ago. Not much I can say, I'm sorry that you and your family has to go through this. I think you're doing the right thing, I had to cut her out, and it killed me, but there comes a point when enough is enough. Beyond the scope of my help, especially when one wont admit the problem or cooperate when someone tries to get her help. We've just very recently (as in weeks) began talking on the regular again. She had a baby a few months ago, and *seems* to be doing well. I know that part of why I've begun talking to her again is the new baby - I wish I could say it was all for my sister, but I think at this point, it's more about making sure baby is okay. I miss the shit out of my sister, we used to be really tight. I'm going through a lot right now and could really use her, but that sister, the one who used to be fun and caring and selfless...I think she's gone. It does feel kind of like a death.
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Hey sweets. I don't have any wisdom to share. Just wanted to give you a hug and say how sorry I am you're in this position. Please don't lose faith and hope for a better day.
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Thanks ladies! So i emailed her bc i wanted to say exactly what I wanted to her. The only response I got from her is she updated her FB status saying something about her sister slandering her and she doesnt give a fuck what anyone says or thinks and we are all a bunch of haters.
It makes me so sad that she cant see beyond the drugs. And a hater???? That i am.... I hate the drugs, I hate the addiction, and I hate everything it has taken from our family.
So I unfriended her and will not be having any contact with her. At this point all I can do is keep her in our prayers and do what I can for my nieces and parents -
So sorry to hear this, @Lifeofchaos. It's so hard to know that there's nothing you can do to help her, she has to do it on her own. Such a helpless and frustrating feeling. Thinking of you and praying for your family.
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