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Recurring Argument
  • GritsGrits
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    So, most everything in our relationship are things we can agree on. Except this one thing. It's big to him and not so big to me. Sex.

    We've been married for 9 years, together for 12. We went through the inevitable horny teenagers phase, then the honeymoon phase, and for the next several years, we continued to have sex at least 5 times a week or so. This lasted up until the end of my most recent pregnancy. Little man was born in March. Hormone shifts and all that fun stuff had me horny as all get out for a little while, but now sex is barely on my radar. I feel like it will probably come back. It's only been 14 weeks since I had the baby, but this is becoming a major point of contention in my house.

    Lately, DH hasn't been asking as much, which I greatly appreciate because it's hard for me to be in the mood when I've been pestered about it all day. But he tells me last night that the reason he's not asking is because he hopes I'll just jump on! And the fact that we only had sex like twice last week had him just seething by the time the kids went to bed last night. Testosterone and all I guess. Whatever. But my thing is, don't all couples go through droughts, if you will?? Personally, I'd rather not have sex than do it with someone who's not really into it, especially if it's the same person you've been having sex with for the last 12 years.

    What say you Scary Mommies and Daddies?? Any drought survivors out there? What can I say to help him understand that it has nothing to do with him...I just don't feel like it. Not even with myself!!!!!
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • DontpooponthedogDontpooponthedog
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    I'm a survivor of the drought where my husband was too overworked he didn't have enough energy to perform.  For me, my husband had to tell me he didn't have the energy but also he had to spend other time with me (vegging on the couch and snuggling- low energy but shows you are still there) Most importantly, it sounds like you need a date night.  Take time away from the baby and be husband and wife instead of mommy and daddy. 

    Wishing you the best of luck because I know it's hard on both ends.

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  • GritsGrits
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    @MammaTeeRoll, that's what I've tried telling him, but he just gets all pissy and sulks. We are very lucky that the little dude sleeps all night already, but there's no good naps during the day. I come home from work and jump right into the mommy role that's waiting for me. My "down time" happens between 10 and 11 at night. That's it. I wish it was as easy for me to be "ready" as it is for him.

    @dontpooponthedog, I would be so happy if it was enough most nights to just cuddle on the couch for a bit, but it rarely is. Date night is hopefully coming up next weekend. Now that we have three, and one is a baby, it's really tough to find a sitter, but I am doing my damnedest, for sure!!
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • SomeDude
    Posts: 139Member
    Just one guy's perspective - but 14 weeks seems a little early for the husband to be getting pissy. That said, I've gone through something similar in my marriage. When the no-sex because of pregnancy became no-sex because the infant doesn't sleep became the no-sex because the toddler doesn't sleep became the no-sex because the house is always a mess became the no-sex because I'm too tired from all of the other stuff I volunteer to do throughout the day became the no-sex during the day because I don't like what my body looks like during the day; I guess I started getting progressively more bitter and progressively more convinced I was getting excuses rather than reasons. (And by "no-sex," I really mean more like once a month.)

    Here's the odd part - I was resentful, but just lived with it and was pretty easy to get along with until something changed when our kids were in elementary school. After a particularly bad dry spell, we went through a period where we were doing it 2-3 times per week. *That's* when I turned into a head case; suddenly very afraid that things would go back to once a month.

    Anyway, the good part about that was I finally got around to talking to my wife about how I felt. I didn't want to hurt her feelings and I've been told that talking about wanting sex means you're not going to get sex. (Despite, on the other hand, being told to communicate.) The sex is important and I'd be sad if it went away, but I think the resentment built from a feeling that I, as a person, wasn't a priority - I was merely a valuable resource in her child raising and home financing endeavors.

    When the kids' well-being took priority, that was understandable; but I think I snapped a little when the kids became less dependent and, rather than me becoming more of a priority again, that extra time was taken up by more voluntary activities (landscaping, for example). But, after talking about it and with the kids being less dependent and with me trying to make her concerns more of a priority for me, I think things have gotten better with the sex.

    So, I think it's a balance that involves figuring out how much time/energy you actually have; how much your DH regards sex as an expression of you valuing him as an individual; and a proper line drawing for your DH between a justifiable desire to be loved as an individual on the one hand and being a needy, self-centered whiner on the other.
  • AnonUser27
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    I'm never in the mood. I'm 30 and it's been 4 years since I have given birth.
  • GritsGrits
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    @SomeDude, thanks for the male input!! I really appreciate it! And here's tagging @episcopal, @FoulMouthedSailor, @sisyphus, and @SAHDad (I know there are more, they're just not coming to me!)

    I feel like I've always been pretty attentive to his libido. I mean, I don't think I felt like having sex every day for about 10 years, but I know that he thinks about it every day, so I try to find a happy medium. I am very "touched out" by the end of the day, and I think that's a big part of it. By the time the kids go to bed, I've kissed 10 booboos, given a thousand hugs and kisses, and had a baby or 3 y/o in my lap/arms for at least a couple of hours. So personal space becomes important. And while I try not to be standoffish with DH, I'm sure that's how I come across sometimes. I hate it, but I'm not sure how to get past it. And I really just want him to understand so I don't have this guilt with me all the time that I can't get rid of!
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • GritsGrits
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    I'm never in the mood. I'm 30 and it's been 4 years since I have given birth.



    This is my concern. I'm afraid that my drive is just going to go away. I hope not, but the times when I really want it are few and far between right now.
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • beachmommybeachmommy
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    I am 19 weeks pp today.  I still have very little sex drive.

    My sex life was so active before pregnancy...during pregnancy it went to zero... and now I really have to work at it.  We used to have sex at least once a day during the week, and several times a day on the weekends.  But now we are down to maybe 3 times a week.

    I actually talked to my Dr. about it. He told me this is completely normal and to give myself some time, but did prescribe an estrogen cream to apply to my area to make sex more comfortable and offered some advice: the more you "do it" the quicker the drive comes back.  Neither the cream nor the increased activity has really worked that much.  But I'm trying!

    My beach is still Sandy....
  • GritsGrits
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    @beachmommy, does the estrogen cream help with the soreness that sometimes comes with sex??

    I've heard that about the more you do it, but I just have a tough time with that, KWIM?? Ugh! I never thought I'd have this problem!!
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • SomeDude
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    The mood thing was an ego-crusher for me. DW generally seemed to be enjoying herself when and if we did get going. So I don't think it was painful or actively unpleasant for her -- which would have been another story entirely.

    What I noticed as the kids got older was all of the not terribly fun things she could and did get herself up for -- I'd see her initiate a new gardening project, for example. The payoff is good, but weeding isn't the most fun thing ever. The take away for me was that she's rather be weeding a garden than having sex with me. "What's so wrong with me that having sex is less important and/or more unpleasant than [insert activity]?"

    Not entirely a fair comparison - but when you're talking about relationships, sex, and egos; rationality kind of goes out a window. On the other hand, I don't have any great solutions. If you don't wanna, you don't wanna. And, for me, what I really wanted wasn't so much sex as for my wife to *want* to have sex with me. Even if we weren't having sex, when she took time to show me I was a priority and she still thought I was pretty cool, that really took the edge off not having sex. That said, if you're just 14 weeks out from a newborn, I don't know that there is realistically time or energy available for tending to his bruised ego.
  • SomeDude
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    @Grits - Glad to contribute, hope I can offer something of value. Looking at those posts, I'm awfully busy talking about myself -- and not offering too much help!

    Just thinking out loud, but maybe what it comes down to is for both spouses to trust that the other one isn't going to take them for granted. DH doesn't want to be just a source of money and child care. DW doesn't want to be just a maid, nanny, and sex object. (Just generalizing from traditional roles). At times, the needs of the family are just all consuming and both spouses just have to suck it up as individuals. But, those times -- including the sex droughts -- pass much more easily when you see that you're spouse is in the fight with you and has your back.
  • beachmommybeachmommy
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    @grits - the cream helped a little, but not a lot.  I need more lube now than I ever did before.  I think the soreness will just gradually go away - 14 weeks is not long enough to bounce back from delivery IMO.  I have noticed an improvement over the last couple weeks.

    Here is thing about pushing yourself to have more sex - it usually lasts only, what, 10 maybe 15 min from start to finish??  Even if you get a few minutes in and you absolutely have to stop bc it's too uncomfortable (I have had to stop  few times depending on position) it is still not this huge event that has to ruin your night if it doesn't go as planned.  This may sound cold (sorry @somedude) but sometimes just going through the motion can alleviate so much "drama".  What I mean is that, for me, I love DH and want him to be happy....I just can't seem to get "into" anymore.  However, if I just "suck it up and take one for the team" (literally!) it really seems to make DH so much happier and I don't have him hanging on me every where I go asking if we can "go upstairs for a while". 

    In summary...the 15 minutes of "sacrifice" is worth the hours of peace.  And eventually my drive will come back.  I hope.

     

    My beach is still Sandy....
  • blkrosemommablkrosemomma
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    @grits Does it have to be SEX? I mean would he be happy with a morning hand job or something? I don't always feel like I want to have full on sex but I am always happy to lay in bed with BF and give him a hand job while I kiss him and he gets to play with my boobs. 

    Hand jobs don't take that much energy IMO and it helps them get "that" off their mind. 


  • GritsGrits
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    @blkrosemomma, it doesn't have to be sex, and alot of the time, I just fix him up with a bj or a handjob, but sometimes that's not enough.

    @beachmommy, I actually am guilty of that. Last night (Father's Day) I felt like he deserved it, and I wanted him to realize how much I love and value him, so we had sex. Honestly, once we get into it, it's great, but right now, I have so much trouble just getting to the point where I can let him touch me. It's crazy because I'm still wildly attracted to him! He's so hot to me, and I do anything and everything I can to show him that outside of sex.

    @SomeDude, that's my train of thought exactly. To me, sex is icing on the cake. The rest of life is so hectic and all-consuming right now that I am just glad to have a partner in life that is there for me when things are tough, and they have been here lately.

    When we talked (very briefly) about it last night, he said that because he's out of work and home with the kids all the time, never plays ball or works out anymore, that he needs a release. I totally understand, but on the other side of that coin, I kind of feel like a bit of a cum dumpster, ya know? He's married, so he can't just go pick up some strange when he feels like it, so he has to wait on me. But if he waits on me, in his mind it will never happen. I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I definitely wouldn't be on it 5+ days a week. I guess we have to find a happy medium, but I have no idea where to start.
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • SomeDude
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    @Grits - it's funny how individualized all of this is too. 5x per week would have me saying "woah, slow down a little bit." I'm thinking that 2-3x/week is an embarrassment of riches and wondering whether I'm being too much of a bother when that's the frequency. For me, 10 days seems to be about when I start gritting my teeth and 1 month is about when the open resentment starts.

    Then, when we do talk about it, a lot of times I'll find out that she was up for it at some point during the dry spell. Figuring out how to initiate at the right times without being pushy at the wrong times without feeling bruised when my advances are rejected seems to be a tough balance for me.
  • GritsGrits
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    @SomeDude, if DH had to wait a month to have sex, his head would explode (possibly both of them)!

    I do try to initiate, or at least send the signals that I'm feeling a little frisky when the mood strikes. I guess it does depend entirely on the person. When I mention that there are couples that only have sex a few times a month, DH says "fuck them, this is me!!"
    /:)

    Well, alrighty then! I guess it didn't help for me to point out that we have sex a lot more than a majority of couples our age.

    Does anyone know of any federal (read:nationally available) programs that offer free or low-cost counseling for couples? Religious counseling is out of the question. If anyone relates religion to our sex life, DH will be out of there in a second.
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • CalliopemarieCalliopemarie
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    I know my dh and I have been :together for 12 years we have 4 kids 8 and under. I rarely want sex anymore and he wants it all the time. I know what you are going through!! j can't just take one for the team because he gets mad if I don't get off. we are supposed to have an open relationship but he claims he only wants me which makes things worse. if I get a good break from the kids and I'm not exhausted ill want sex. that's how it goes here. no advice for you just sympathy and hugs
    i am insane!!! mwahahahaha
  • French_momFrench_mom
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    Well, in my household it is me who wants it all the time and not DB. 
    It is for me to know and you to dot dot dot.
  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
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    Usually if we go through a dry spell, it's me and not Dw, she's a serious nympho... There's a ton of things like stress, work, school etc that completely kill any motivation of getting laid, so I really have no advice on this.
    You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
    And dreaming when they're gone.
  • shadylaneshadylane
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    every time i've taken one for the team i was so resentful afterward it made things a lot worse. i think he's being a selfish baby, he needs to understand and get the fuck over it and leave u alone for awhile. after being bugged about it for days i finally just flip the fuck out lol but @SomeDude is right, i can see how it could be confusing to always be told to communicate ur feelings but u can't comunicate that u want sex. i think the difference is, we know they want sex. we don't need to be reminded of that. if he's really feeling neglected or like u don't find him attractive, yes that's something to discuss but don't constantly ask and bitch about it, making her feel like a piece of meat is not going to help matters.
    ~slim shady~
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    I wish I had good advice. I  do think that it's reasonable at this point for you to not be that interested, with a tiny one in the mix.  

    DW and I have a definite imbalance... so you know it's not just with hetero couples.  I just am really "whatever" about sex.  Generally if she initiates sex I am fine and totally into it once things get going but I very rarely seem to want it if she hasn't gotten things started and I can tell it makes her sad and I feel like shit about that.   I have hormonal fluctuations that will briefly get me in the mood for a day or two but they are few and far between.   I've seen the ebb and flow over the years (we've been together about 9 years now) and I wish I was as "driven" as I used to be but I don't know what to do about it.

    But I don't have a little baby around.  I think that makes a difference and you need to cut yourself some slack.  I remember when I was married to my ex and my son (DS14) was a baby, I didn't want anything at all to do with sex for a good six months after I had him!  But then again there were other issues there so don't go by what I am saying in that regard (cuz he was an asshole). ;)
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  • LilbitLilbit
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    I'm sorry but...and I'm probably going to get lynched for this...but I disagree with @shadylane. WHILE I DO THINK YOU GET A PASS BECAUSE OF THE LITTLE ONE,I don't think it's ok to tell ur man to communicate then rip his head off when he communicates something you don't want to hear because you already know. It's a valid need on his part. Let's switch the need for a second...we all know our SO loves us but if they stopped showing that affection and demonstrating that emotion however that may be (because that is different for each person in each relationship) and we communicated that to them and they reacted in a negative or rejecting way how well would that go over? they already know us women need that stuff...?
    I'm not saying you have to cater to his every whim every time or drop what your doing and strip naked and hop in bed every time he asks but he does have needs too, and shouldn't those be met too?
    I get the new baby takes A LOT of time and energy
  • catzfan
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    I think I am with @shadylane....we have had these spells off and on since the kids were born (now teenagers) and whenever I would just gut it out and have sex I always felt a huge resentment piece because as I would say sometimes, you get laid but I got fucked.... Not a lot of help with the kids, dumped his parents on me for two weeks while he was out of town AND the kids both had hand foot and mouth..... All of this went on for many years...and I am supposed to drop trousers why again? To take care of your needs? That's a two way street buddy!!!!
    Sorry to the scary daddies out there, I am sure you are much more involved in taking care of homes and small children than my hubby was At the time....
  • shadylaneshadylane
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    Yep that's what I'm getting at, yes sex is important but its not that important. If he wants his needs met he should make sure hers are being met too. And I kind of disagree that that need is valid, yes everyone has sexual needs which are also emotional but I doubt that him getting pissy b/c of less than several times a week, is really emotional. He gets pissed b/c he wants some ass and acts like a child, its not something deeper. Yes it hurts his ego but it all comes down to he wants to get laid and he expects u to put out. Why can't he take care of it himself? Ur giving it up 2 or 3 times a week with a new baby, what does he expect? Ur still showing him affection in other ways, its not like u turned totally cold towards him, u just don't feel like giving it up every fucking day. He needs to grow up and get over it, acting like that cause he didn't get any is ridiculous. Relationships are about more than sex, and if it really is emotional for him then he needs to figure out what he can do to make things easier for u so u might actually feel like it.
    ~slim shady~
  • GritsGrits
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    @shadylane, that's exactly how I feel about it. I'm really not angry, and I don't usually go straight for the jugular when he mentions that it's been a few days, but I do need him to understand that for me, the relationship at this point is so much deeper than just sex. I get that he needs it, and I try to be there for him and "take one for the team". But other times, I wish he could experience the instability that comes with shifts in hormones. He doesn't believe they are that bad. I don't know how he doesn't have this figured out. This latest one is our third together and my hormones have been all over the place. Just because I am all over you one night doesn't mean you should expect the same for the next two weeks. I know when it's been a little while, the sex is better and when the sex is better, I'm fulfilled. I don't need it (or really have the urge for it) for a few days. Instead of taking it as a compliment that I'm so satisfied, he gets bent out of shape because...well I don't really know. I wish I did, but I sure don't.

    @Lilbit, I really try not to be upset by his constant requests, and I do want him to tell me what he needs and/or wants from me. But if the only feedback is "sex", then how do I work on that without feeling like shit myself? I'm asking sincerely. If you have some wisdom to pass on, please do!! If he had it his way, we'd do it daily, probably more than once a day. We do have sex, just not all the time. I think 2-3 times a week is plenty, but he strongly disagrees.

    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • beachmommybeachmommy
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    I will probably get a lot of flack for this, but here is my opinion:

    I think sex is very different for men and women.  Yes, in a "healthy" married relationship there are emotions tied to the act for both partners... but the reality is that it is much more of a physical need for men.  Most men are very basic in their needs: they need to be fed, they need to shit, and they need to cum.  I know it sounds crass, but I think for many men it is as simple as that (not ALL men, just many).

    @grits - you mentioned how in the beginning and even into your marriage (pre-baby) you had a very active sex life.  So did I.  My DH wasn't the one who changed - it was me.  For a very good reason my sex drive diminished- my DS is worth a million nights of passion!!  My DH is very attracted to me and he knows that part of my "diminishment" is due to me not feeling very "sexy" and bc I am a sleep-deprived working mommy who's priorities have shifted quite a bit from when we first met.  He knows this and understands this.... but he still wants to cum.  And he wants to cum with ME.  It is his way of connecting with me in a way that noone else can.

    That brings me back to what I said about "taking one for the team".  Sex is important to him.  It isn't as important to me right now.  But it is important to me that DH remains happy in this relationship. So for 15 minutes every other night or so, I can put on my happy face and give that to him.  I can also throw together a dinner for him and make sure there is toilet paper in the bathroom.  What do I get in return? DH does so many things, I really don't know where to start.  He has readjusted his work schedule to come home early every day to relieve the nanny so that I can work.  He goes grocery shopping, does the laundry, the yardwork, cleans the house, picks up dry cleaning, goes to every Dr. appt with me and more and more. 

    And someday my drive will come back. I know it will.

    My beach is still Sandy....
  • GritsGrits
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    @beachmommy, I totally get what you're saying. I'm going to try to get a "date night" this coming weekend and see if we can hash out some differences over a cold 6-pack and a good nights sleep. Maybe we can get to the bottom of this before we both go stark raving MAD! Thanks everyone for the input! Valuable food for thought!!!!
    "I believe in being strong when everything seems to be going wrong. I believe that happy girls are the prettiest girls. I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I believe in miracles." ~Audrey Hepburn
  • LilbitLilbit
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    @ grits I wasn't speaking necessarily to your problem, it was just putting out there that women (and I am not perfect I have done it before as well) preach for our guys communicate, then if its something we already know we yell at them. I just think its an unfair double standard, because in most cases, like i was trying to say before, it would be no bueno for anyone involved if the situation was reversed. I was just trying to show the other side of the argument. 

    For your particular situation, personally I think 2-3 times a week is average period. Thats not even taking in to account the baby and hormones. Like I said you totally get a pass in my book. Honestly I think his expectations are skewed. 
  • SomeDude
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    I think I read that, on average, couples from 35 - 40 years old have sex about 100 times per year. Twice a week, more or less. Every couple is different, and at the end of the day, the couple has to figure out an approach and a balance that works for them and in their particular situation (such as newborn baby!)

    But, I think overall averages are helpful to kind of have a notion of whether your expectations or those of your spouse are unreasonable. (Again, though, even if the expectations are reasonable, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to work in your particular situation.)