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Iced coffee is necessary for life right now. Holy bananas it is hot hot hot! We are looking to go above 100 on the heat index, which in these parts is pretty rare.
So sit back, relax, and sip a cool beverage of your choice.
Topic of the day: obesity rates and snack foods. This is also piggy backing on some issues brought up in a previous daily discussion.
Question of the day: Should certain snack foods be be banned at schools, and should unhealthy foods be taxed at a different rate than healthy foods?
We have a major obesity problem on our hands- what would you suggest to fix it?
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Hate to say it but I'm a damned fence sitter on this one. :(
I believe truely everything is okay in moderation, so as a person who indulges occasionally and so do my kids, I wouldn't want to pay a "junk tax".
That being said, I know that as a kid my afternoon snack of 1box cookies/day is what caused majority of my weight problems BUT the reason I ate like that was an emotional cover, food was my security blanket.
I also find that being on a budget the healthier fresh items are more expensive and therefore do not get purchased as often as the ramin noodles, Mac'n'cheese just as its cheaper to buy hotdogs/high salt canned meats/ground beef than their leaner & less salted counterparts.
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I do think unhealthy snacks should not be allowed as an offering on a daily basis. My school tried to take that a little too far by saying we couldn't have cupcakes or birthday cake for birthdays in the classroom. That's just rediculuous.
I think a better solution to banning junk food would be to have plenty of healthy food available. Grapes, bananas, strawberries, etc should be readily available in the classroom as well as granola bars.
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Ohmygawd. We get strawberries on sale for $2
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I do think school should be a place for healthy eating. It annoys me so much that I don't allow the kids soda very often, only to find out they've been getting it at school every day. Their school doesn't have a lunch room, just a hot food canteen, so if I have to send lunch money instead of packing lunches, the horrors of what they eat is just awful!! Pizza chips and soda. My god.
I don't think higher taxes on bad food is going to solve anything. I know from experience bad food is cheap, and was all I could afford (think Totinos pizza. I could feed all four of us for $4). Fresh veggies and lean meat being more affordable might help, but not making bad food more expensive.deus ex machina -
I get a punnet of strawbs not on sale for almost 10dollars. Its stupid! On sale its 5.
I think in schools the really unhealthy stuff should be banned. It was in my school, but on a friday at breaktime they served hotdogs and sausage rolls and chips at lunchtime! It was heaven! Lol! In BKs school its all really healthy, I think on a friday for dessert they get a treat. To drink its milk or water. It just makes good sense.
In my school we weren't allowed to bring in fizzy drinks or loads of junk, but nobody ever actually enforced the rule. It was a good rule anyway.
A tax on unnecessarily unhealthy foods makes sense. Or on certain oils, so that procecced food becomes better. Its a sin that someone can't afford a hand of bananas and can afford a box of processed nasty rubbish."Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter." - Dr. Seuss -
I really hate that healthy food is so much more expensive than junk food. I believe this is one of the reasons why obesity is such an epidemic. I do think that schools should only serve healthy options. At least if the parents can't afford the healthy stuff the kids can get it through school lunches.
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If they want to put a tax in junk food, or unhealthy foods then they better bring down the prices of the healthy stuff. The money you pay to have anything fresh is ridiculous, especially if you have a family of four or more.
If the American government wants to cut down on the obesity rate they need to find a way to make fresh foods more affordable. Help out the the farmers, give them some kind of stimulus check to help cover the difference in growing/producing the food and selling it at lower prices.
I am all for keeping crap food out of school cafeterias. Do I think cupcakes and treats for parties should be allowed? Yes. A treat here or there is good and it's a good lesson in moderation.I'm as sexy as a burp mid-kiss. Watch out! -
My kids school has healthy lunches and unfortunately my son looks at the menu and says ewwww! I also agree that its unfortunate that junk food is cheaper. I am a big offender of junk food :(Stay away from my chocolate and nobody gets hurt!
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I think that schools SHOULD take out a lot more of the unhealthy snacks. Of course, I am of the generation where there were vending machines down every hall when I went to school. And we wonder why so many of us in my generation ARE in fact obese. But I don't think that this is 100% of the contribution. I have been fighting my weight for years now. Sure, some of it is due to the health issues I have, but not all. I think that some atleast is my mentality. I grew up in a house where you eat EVERYTHING on your plate. I still have this mentality and am having a very difficult time in breaking this. I have learned that here at home, to limit what I put on my plate. When we go out to eat though, I notice I have the worst issue. The serving sizes are enormous anymore. Take a few weeks ago for instance. My mother in law decided to treat us to dinner and a movie so we decided to go to Dennys. I ordered the chicken fried steak, MIL ordered the nachos APPETIZER, and DH ordered his usual 2 sandwiches. As our plates were brought to us, it was apparent that none of us would be able to finish our dinners.Also, I think that it's terrible how expensive "healthy" eating can be. As @irishlass stated, the cost of things is outrageous. Here we love fresh fruit but can't hardly afford anything other than bananas on a regular basis.
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@callieflower82 Farmers get HUGE tax breaks, along with many grants! Unfortunately, that doesn't solve greed. If the farmers aren't over-charging, then the shipping companies, produce distributors, or grocery stores are! And farmers markets are even more expensive than the grocery store where I live.
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@ImWendy Ugh. Why does everything have to be so broken?
Which "junk foods" do they want to tax? Chips, soda, candy, fast food? Or are they also going to include processed crap like neon orange Mac n cheese and food of similar ilk?I'm as sexy as a burp mid-kiss. Watch out! -
They are insane @Irishlass. And we wonder why America is the fattest country? Look at our serving sizes. 3 grown adults could have gotten full from my one meal. I know this because I ate it as leftover twice!
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I think teaching children healthy eating patterns (a little of everything with some indulgences) is the key to a healthy heart and life. Anytime something is preached endlessly, kids will hit the ignore button after a while. It has to be fun, it has to be in moderation like food.
That being said, some people can't afford the costs of constant healthy eating so what do they do? They have to buy and serve what they can afford. Make healthy foods more affordable and junk food more expensive.
Also, there's a difference between affordability and simply not caring.
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@irishlass
We doggy bag most of our meals when we go out! Left overs mean lunch the next day....but it is crazy.
I read, and I don't know if it's true for the rest of the world, that dinner plates have gotten bigger in the last 50-60 years. What we might call a salad plate was the dinner plate for our grand parents and great parents.
I have a set of china from the 1930's and the biggest plates, meant to be platters, are just a little smaller than the dinner plates in our Fiesta ware.
We started eating on smaller plates to prevent our eyes from getting bigger than our stomachs.I'm as sexy as a burp mid-kiss. Watch out! -
I use a smaller plate, too, @calliflower82. I helps a lot, and once my stomach shrunk back to normal, I wasn't as hungry.deus ex machina
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@ImWendy. Yes! Same for us! We started doing that a few years ago and still do it. We started to see a difference in a week or two. And that helps when we go out...and why we bring doggy bags home.I'm as sexy as a burp mid-kiss. Watch out!
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That would be the corn farmers stuffing their state reps pockets to keep their produce moving...it sounds terrible and a generalization (which I hate making) but as an industry it's true!
Ever have a Coke or Sprite made with real sugar? The taste is so much better and it's not nearly as heavy...not that soda is good for you....moderation....I swear I don't live on caffeine through soda.
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Like the rest of the ladies above, I think it's pretty shitty that a fresh fruits and veggies are twice as much as a boxed pizza that has 3/4 the daily recommended serving of fat in a slice. I think we go through a pound or more of salad a day in our house, and it's not cheap even if you buy the bagged stuff. The school Sunshine gos to has a regular lunch line, and a soup and salad bar. For the most part she eats the soup and salad but hits the other line when they have something that catches her fancy.
I don't think they should add a tax to any food, It would affect the people who are living paycheck to paycheck the most, and severely screw them over in the end. I know back in Denmark, I have relatives that complain they added a Value Added Tax(VAT) to several types of foods a couple years ago and it spiked the price on a lot of things, baked goods, hot food restaurants, and high fat content items like butters and oils.
I also think one of the fundamental things that has made our country fat is people don't get out enough. This new generation is more about sitting on the couch and doing nothing than getting out and running around. You would have never caught me in the house during the summer, running wild all day, I just had to be home a little after nightfallYou show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
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I agree with the point @FoulMouthedSailor made about the laziness of this country. We are all guilty of it.. I mean after all.. how many of us are sitting at our computers rather than out taking advantage of the early(ish) morning cooler temps outside?
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My sons school doesnt have a lot of junk food, but being in the PTA we sell it after school so we can help fund things for the school, but we go out and buy healthier snacks as well as the bad stuff and hope the kids make better choices.
I also live out in a rural area where it is a mile to get to the nearest grocery store and 2 for a shopping center, restaurants are about 15 miles away, so it seems like we are always driving to get somewhere. Even the parks are not in the community. Not saying it is a great excuse but walking by a dairy farm in 100+ heat isnt very pleasant just to walk to a store and back...
Now I know that this PTA at my sons school is big about health that they are talking about having a running path installed around school and equipment so that who ever run it can do push up, or squats or pull ups every so yards as well as put up exercise equipment in the playgrounds for the kids.
We are not a rich school at all and there is not enough parent involvement but they are awesome at trying to give back to the student body and community.
I think we need to teach more about nutrition and not just follow the usda recommendations. (which is funded by those industries.....another rant.)
On a separate note. Did you know most of the food grown here in the USA is NOT as nutritious as it once was due to it being changed and bred to produce more and withstand illness. We as Americans eat OVERLY processed food on top of that. Even our wheat is different ground than what they use in Europe and else where so it isnt as good as it should be and there has been discussion that the reason there are so many more celiacs now could be due to the way we process our foods (grains).
There is also the whole other fact that we as Americans also dont know how to treat food. We use food as a comforter or a treat or a "I am bored and it is something to occupy my hands" rather than food is to help us grow and live. We live in a society that SKINNY is what is wanted not healthy and we BASH those who say otherwise. And as WOMEN we are shown that the only way to be happy or to be successful and beautiful is to be thin. There are not many ( at least when I was growing up) normal size women being role models, different body shapes, body mass and what not. Okay, Sorry for Off Topic rant there but I know it has led to depression even in me because I was NEVER like those girls in the magazine so I never had anyone to compare myself I felt like I could never be like them and that men/boys wouldn't like me.
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"A food system — from seed to 7‑Eleven — that generates cheap, filling food at the literal expense of healthier produce is also a principal cause of America's obesity epidemic. At a time when the nation is close to a civil war over health-care reform, obesity adds $147 billion a year to our doctor bills. "The way we farm now is destructive of the soil, the environment and us," says Doug Gurian-Sherman, a senior scientist with the food and environment program at the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS)."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1917726,00.html#ixzz1yR8kbilUThis is a really great article about the links between Factory Farming and cheap, high fat food.Another good paragraph from that article:"But cheap food is not free food, and corn comes with hidden costs. The crop is heavily fertilized — both with chemicals like nitrogen and with subsidies from Washington. Over the past decade, the Federal Government has poured more than $50 billion into the corn industry, keeping prices for the crop — at least until corn ethanol skewed the market — artificially low. That's why McDonald's can sell you a Big Mac, fries and a Coke for around $5 — a bargain, given that the meal contains nearly 1,200 calories, more than half the daily recommended requirement for adults. "Taxpayer subsidies basically underwrite cheap grain, and that's what the factory-farming system for meat is entirely dependent on," says Gurian-Sherman"
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Oh and to add did you know they change the name of SUGAR so it is not in the first spot in ingredients. Like they will say oats and such and add sugar then further down add the alternate names for
forms of added sugar: corn sweetener, corn syrup, high-fructose corn
syrup, dextrose, fruit juice concentrates, lactose, maltose, malt syrup,
molasses, cane juice, cane syrup and sucrose.( Any ingredient ending in
"ose" is likely a form of sugar.)
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This is another good point from that article:A study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that a dollar could buy 1,200 calories of potato chips or 875 calories of soda but just 250 calories of vegetables or 170 calories of fresh fruit. With the backing of the government, farmers are producing more calories — some 500 more per person per day since the 1970s — but too many are unhealthy calories
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And I've noticed garbage food is much cheaper than healthy food. welfare covers all junk food, but there is an allowance on produce.
Truth. It really is. We get SNAP benefits, and if it weren't for those, my WIC covers $10 a month in fresh produce. Thankfully, we live in a farming community, so there are lots of fresh fruit and veggie stands run by local farmers and the Amish where the stock is affordable. But in the wintertime, forget it! There's no way to afford it and cover your food bill for a whole month. Grapes go to like $5 a lb. It's ridiculous.
And the school lunches here are a JOKE! I went to a parent's day where we were invited to eat lunch with our kids. If that food was healthy, then I'm fucking Michelle Obama (either way you read it :-) ).
It's a shame that I can't send a granola bar with chocolate chips in her lunchbox, but the cafeteria can serve her this vile brown, greasy, cheese covered mess every damn day. Makes a lot of sense. It also explains why the less fortunate children whose parents can't pack a lunch for them are the most overweight. Last time I checked, pizza and chicken nuggets weren't listed as a health food.
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I think we should be regulating what kids eat at school, they can't be expected to make healthy choices for themselves, it's not in their natures. I don't let my daughter randomly graze in our cupboards and I don't even have junk food in the house.
When it comes to grocery shopping, I have a few things I always keep on hand: bananas, apples/applesauce, carrots, and celery. They all run <$1/lb. I stopped buying frozen pizzas and whatnot because I realized that produce, even if it costs more, is so much more filling and satisfying. We don't buy salad, the only ones that are affordable anymore are iceburg lettuce mixes. Spinach goes on sale for <$1 a bag and I throw it directly into the freezer for use in casseroles, meatballs, and pizza sauce. You can also get heads of lettuce for <$1 each in season. During the winter it's harder so I try to stock up the freezer ahead of time (we don't like canned vegetables) and we eat in-season things like squash. Meat is much harder. My husband used to have a job where we were paid partly in beef. Keeping meat in the freezer has been a challenge (Didn't ground beef used to be cheap?!). We eat a lot of chicken, which we only buy whole or legs because it's around $.69/lb on sale. We've also started eating a lot of meatless meals such as baked beans and corn bread, grilled cheese and tomato soup, and homemade cheese pizza, things my big rancher-dude husband won't rebel against. I know people have different grocery budgets and the cost of food varies depending on where you live, but usually it's possible to make better choices. We're not perfect, we don't buy organic, and we have never eaten Quinoa, but I swear this works for us.
Taxing junk food is ridiculous, there are so many better ways to get people eating healthier.
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Join Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution. I agree the crap they serve in schools today is just that: crap: the school lunchrooms are bound by government regulations and budgets. Sad but true. A school district might have one registered dietitian rather than one at every school.And for the record: there's nothing wrong with pizza. The frozen stuff tastes like shit, but a nice homemade one is a pretty much all-inclusive meal, encompassing all food groups depending on what you use for meat (no, I don't consider pepperoni meat) and take it easy on the cheese. Should you be having it every day? No. But if you make it at home, it's an easy, fun way to get the kids involved with cooking too.I personally don't have a problem with high fructose corn syrup, I've researched how it's made. I do, agree, however, that soda tastes different made with it: it's too sweet, and not enough carbonation. And I'm old enough to remember "real" Coke!Bite me, cupcake!
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Grow your own. That's all I gotta say. You want lettuce? Buy a pre-sprouted salad mix lettuce, pop it into a pot, put it in the sun and water. You will have more lettuce than you can eat. Same with tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries, sweet and hot peppers. It takes a bit of initial investment for pots and dirt, but anyone can grow their own produce. Fruit is more problematic, but veggies are better for you anyway.See ya in another life, sister!
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@curious I wish I had the luxury too, but I live in base housing and they don't like their back yards turned into a garden. We grow cucumbers, bell peppers, black berries, and some spiced peppers, and I end up having a friend pickle most of the cucumber and spicy peppers. But if I had an acre or two I'm pretty sure our grocery bills would drop to almost nothing during the season. But most people don't have the luxury of planting and the time of tending a garden.You show the lights that stop me turn to stone, You shine it when I'm alone. And so I tell myself that I'll be strong
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Our school has eliminated junk food as far as what kids can purchase beyond their provided lunch, our vending machines are water, milk, flavored water, gatorade and 100% fruit juice. The a'la carte at the high school has granola bars, boxed cereal (cheerios, corn flakes, wheaties and maybe one other) yogurt, string cheese and gogurt. The only questionable thing on it is those pre packaged froze pb and j things.Cupcakes are a no no unless they are from a bakery. We have no homemade goodies allowed at all. We are also provided a "suggested" snack list for birthdays, etc.The government is working towards more fruit and vegetables served at school lunches, but again, as with most government ideas, they way they are going about it is jacked. They are mandating that x amount be served. Not offered, served- with no increase in what the schools get to help with funding it. For example, one of the mandates is a leafy green and you cannot offer a salad daily, you must serve collard greens, mustard greens, cooked spinach, etc. to all ages. So you are going to have oodles of waste because in all honesty I can't see a classroom full of 7 year olds snarfing down their mustard greens. I am all for adding more to their lunches, but if I can eat a salad every day for lunch, why can't my kids?
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I tried to do that this year, @FoulMouthedSailor, I wanted a garden so badly, but didn't have the money to get our desert dirt into proper condition for it...I grew up spending summers with my g'parents in OK, and they had 40 acres, so my g'dad had at least an acre size garden every year...everything tastes soooo much better fresh off the vine.I'm also old enough to remember the produce in the stores tasting different: fresher, better. Summer fruit in the summertime. There is just something wrong about having watermelon in December! I think the U.S. would be far better off if we went back to a more agrarian culture, and stopped importing so much of our food.Bite me, cupcake!
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Obesity is a major issue. It is very hard to buy healthy foods on a budget. I have tried and the cost is astounding. I do make sure to get bananas and this time of year watermelon cause they are affordable and last. The cost of kraft mac a box is 50cents to make the same portion from fresh is 10bucks. If u want cheesy mac n cheese. I think schools should not sell sodas and candy at all. It just provides another source of junk to kids. Also I do believe we should be allowed to eat what we want and the government is big enough. They have there hand in everything why do they think they can control this also. Its all about money to them they don't care if we are 500lbs or 100lbs. This is another example of sin tax. It is a parents responsibility to feed our kids normal portions and healthy foods. As poor as I am and as lil groceries I can swing I feel I provide a decent diet. Cheese puffs for breakfast with jelly donuts are the problem. Wheat toast and a banana costs the same. I don't kbow if I answered the question but I do believe its lunchtime!!


















