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Tuesday Morning HOT Coffee Talk
  • [Deleted User]
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    Why is it now 60 degrees after being 90+? The weather is confusing me.

    Also, I want to go have a playdate with some SMs. Bored.

    So grab your beverage of choice and come chat with us!


    Topic of the day: body piercings and tattoos


    Question on the table: When will you let/do you think it is appropriate for children to get tattooed or piercings other than ears? Would you sign off on them doing so before 18?

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  • pennypenny
    Posts: 890Member
    Generally not before 18 for tattoos, but there might be situations where I would bend that rule. Commemoration of a lost relative or beloved pet for example, though I would encourage waiting until after growing was done lest it get distorted.

    Piercings, possibly as early as 15-16, again depending on circumstances and maturity of the kid.


  • Katescrazymom
    Posts: 1,899Member

    I might go for another piercing at 16, if dd or ds seem responsible enough to take care of it, and could pay for it.  A tattoo would have to be pretty darn meaningful for me to okay it before 18, and I would prefer they not waste money on it until they've got a real job and are done school, in other words, they need to be self sufficient adults, because the good ones cost a lot, and they seem to need upkeep.

    I know a few people with "cool" parents who okayed tattoos young and people who got them in collage, and most of them are cheap looking and blotchy.  One girl got one on her hip/tummy then got pregnant a year later.  She always wanted kids (maybe not so soon), so I wondered why she would put this symbol that she agonized over designing there of all places.

  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
    Posts: 426Member
    I wonder about this, too.  My daughter is 13.  She has no piercings, nor any desire to get any.  Her best friend has tons of them.  Tongue, Marylin Monroe, ears all the way up and down, plus her cartilage in her ears, nose, and eyebrow.  She's a virtual pin cushion.  I think it makes her parents look like push-overs.  I have MY nose pierced, and have several tattoos, so I'm not against it.  I just think at that age it looks... bad?
  • shadylaneshadylane
    Posts: 3,037Member
    no way in hell i would let a 13 yr old get any of it. that's just too young. at 16 i might go for more holes in the ears but that's it. sorry looks like its 18 for dd lol i would rather she wait even longer for a tattoo and make sure its something she really wants. i was 17 and i got lucky that the butterfly i got was easily fixed b/c my bff and i just happened to drive past the tattoo shop, she said we should get tattoos, i said ok, went in and picked a butterfly and got it done. they din't even ask how old i was. and of course my friend didn't get one. the butterfly wasn't that great but it was easily turned into a good one later so i don't regret it, but that could have turned out all bad.
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  • ZidashaZidasha
    Posts: 830Member
    For a Tattoo they have to be 16 and able to pay for it themselves and it can't be something racists or disrespectful.

    For piercings I will gladly pay at any point in their life before the age of 18 if they choose to get any but I will only pay for ones in the ear.  If the boys decide they want piercings elsewhere they'll have to come up with the money themselves.

    The way I look at it is either they'll get it done the right way in a sterile environment or they'll want one so bad they'll seek out the help of friends which is not so sterile, plus it's their body.  I may not agree with what they decide to do with it but it's not mine to control.
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  • unforgivenunforgiven
    Posts: 12,715Confessional Manager
    I think it might depend on her reasoning for them before she's 18. After 18 I will support her in whatever she decides but hope I raised her well enough to not get something permanent on her body unless she's thought about it and doing it for the right reasons. 

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  • MarySunshineMarySunshine
    Posts: 5,858Member
    They can get their ears pieced (regular holes in the lobes) whenever they want. Other piercings I would want them wait until mid- high school. Get through any sports they may want to play. Tattoos we decided we want them to wait until they're closer to 18 when they're almost done growing. Some tattoo paces will not to tattoos on kids 16 & 17 even with a parent present or with a note because state regs on businesses are tight.

    We're fine with tattoos, piercings, crazy colored hair...I'd rather use my energy to keep on top of them with school work, extra curriculars, keeping tabs on their friends and whereabouts. I know some parents worry waaaaaaaaay to much littles things...
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  • PurpleFlowersPurpleFlowers
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    My Ds16 has a tattoo and several piercings, (tongue, both ears). I didnt pay for them nor did I know he got them until after the fact. I was majorly pissed then, but Im ok with it now. Ds11 begged to get his one ear pierced when he was 10 so I let him. He had it for about 2 weeks and decided he didnt want it anymore. I am really scared when he gets a little older though because I know he will be covered in tats. He is constantly drawing on himself with a sharpie.
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  • etherieletheriel
    Posts: 735Member

    I believe the laws here don't allow body piercings or tattoos for anyone under 18 even with parental consent.

    Other than an additional ear piercing, I would make my kids wait until they're adults anyway. Those are permanent things that I believe need to based on decisions by adults for themselves.

    If I'm not supposed to do it, how come I can?
  • MegsueMegsue
    Posts: 1,848Member
    I don't think anyone should get a tattoo for any reason until over 18. If it's something meaningful like a memorial tattoo, it will still matter to them when they are legally an adult. I love tattoos btw, have a few myself and an appt for a new one in a few weeks. My DH has slowly been chipping away at his sleeves which I think are super yummy (especially when he's on his Harley =P~ )

    As far as piercings...I'm not sure. I hate seeing babies with their ears pierced. Makes me cringe. I think once a child can voice their opinion and understand that it will hurt, and they need to be taken care of; go ahead and pierce those ears! Any other piercings I think should also wait until they're an adult. Some people are so judgemental toward them that (like tats) should wait. I don't want another reason to be judged as a "bad parent." But then again, I have a son, so if he gets anything pierced I'd kick his ass. [-( Men with holes, yuck. I do foresee Mother/son dates to the tattoo shop in 15 years though!
  • MaryPoppins25
    Posts: 1,686Member
    When they ask for their ears I'm ok with that. Any other piercing will have to wait until they're 16. As for tattoos I will not sign off before they turn 18 because I don't know one person who actually loves and doesn't regret a tattoo they got as a teen. Sorry girlies those things are permanent!
  • LesboMomLesboMom
    Posts: 2,929Confessional Manager
    I want a playdate with some SMs also. The closest ones to me are @canadianmama and @farmmommy 

    And I agree - what gives with the temps - we turned off our ACs and opened up the windows last night. It was in the 50s when I woke up this morning. 

    Definitely not to the piercings OR tattoos before 18. I just don't think I am ready for that. Of course, she is 7 right now. Maybe I will get cooler or more lax as she grows up. 

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  • sunnymommasunnymomma
    Posts: 2,258Member
    I would never sign for my DD15 to get a tattoo for one reason: Years down the line when she regrets it she will blame me. I can hear it now "Well you signed the consent form for me to get it, why would you ever do that? This is all your fault!!" 
    As for piercings, i hadnt thought about it. I guess Id be most ok with belly button or nose if she wants to under 18. 
    I have no issues with tattoos, I have none but thats only because im so indecisive, and piercings i have no issues with. some I have I love, there are some I could never get for myself but I would never look down upon DD for getting those ones that I would never. 
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  • MaryPoppins25
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    @lesbomom if you're close to @canadianmama you're close to me c:
  • DemandaDemanda
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    I agree with @eapple. I never did, but a lot of my friends and a few of my sibs got pierced or tattooed pretty young and they all regret it now.
    My mom signed off on my bro's...he ended up hating it, tried to get it covered a few years later and the symbols on it ended up looking like swastikas. :O. Lots of time and money has been invested to make his arm look presentable again. Had he not had the original one done at 16, he may have avoided a lot of fuckery.
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  • LesboMomLesboMom
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    oh yeah? I am in Ithaca - about 3.5 hours from @canadianmama - I call that close - it's within my 5 hour driving radius with a child :) 

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  • Thefinder
    Posts: 1,664Member
    I want a SM playdate soooo bad. :(

    Piercings already have rules here, she won't have ears till she's 13, and nose maybe 17 if at all, belly button and tongue ....hell no not when she's under my roof.

    Tattoo not till she's 18, they are on her body for the rest of her life, and her views can change so much.  But I wouldn't be opposed to a tattoo that says I love my mom :D
  • MaryPoppins25
    Posts: 1,686Member
    Hmmmm not trying to hijack the thread but if you cut 3.5 in half thats less than 2... I'm wondering if there is some sort of park or splash pad at the half way mark. Do du do du do just saying :D
  • chaosmomchaosmom
    Posts: 3,834Member
    It is a gorgeous 70 degrees here after a very scary massive thunderstorm last night!

    If a tat is that important that you want it for the rest of your life, then it can wait until you are 18. I don't see any piercings that I would allow either. If I had a girl, I would allow her to pierce her ears (lobes only) once she was old enough to make that decision & take care of it.
  • fatchickonabikefatchickonabike
    Posts: 5,632Member
    DD already has pierced ears. Other piercings, it would depend where. No nose or tongue or even ear cartilage. If that shit gets infected it can kill you. Not happening. Tats, when she's out on her own she can do whatever she wants. Until then, no.
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  • LA_PygmyHerderLA_PygmyHerder
    Posts: 1,239Member
    Flat out no on the tattoo. But we have an agreement on piercings. 1 every 5 years and the ears count. For the boys per ear. I figure i only have to deal with one body piercing that way.
  • serenitynowserenitynow
    Posts: 2,177Member

    interesting question........i have a niece who got her nose pierced a few months ago and she is 14. she also wanted some gauges put in her ears (those things that stretch out the ear lobes). so far, her foolish parents have at least said No to that idea............

    anyways though, my kids are currently 7,6 and 4. my girls have their ears pierced (got them at about 3 months old). i had my tongue pierced when i was 18, nose pierced at 19, got a tattoo at 17, pierced my ears 3 times myself at around 14/15. my parents did not give me permission, but i also didn't ask..

    i personally would allow my girls at 14 or up to get their nose pierced (only a little stud on the side, not those big ass ring things through the front that make them look like a bull). and the top part of their ears (the cartilage) to get pierced.  but any other piercings they have to wait til they're 18. and no fucking way are they going to get gauges! unless they are at least 25 and live on their own and have graduated college..........as for tattoos, i would have to see what type of person they are and what type of tattoo if they were under 18. i think 16 would be probably the youngest i would even consider it if they asked though

  • CanadianMamaCanadianMama
    Posts: 9,655Administrator, Moderator
    @eapple @LesboMom told me about this amazing place called "The Museum of Play" it's in Rochester, so only an hour and a half from us :D

    I don't take body piercings that seriously, I had my cartiledge (top of my ear) pierced without my parents permission when I was 15, I've had my belly button, tongue and nose pierced as well. The majority of them have healed up (I still have my nose ring though, I got it pierced on my honeymoon and it means a lot to me). I think if Rylee asked me about piercings when she was 15/16 I would definitely consider it, if she could give me good reasons for wanting it that didn't include "all of my friends have it" than I might agree. 

    Tattoos I don't know, ONLY because the stupid tattoo I got when I was 18 is something I majorly regret, not because I have problems with tattoos. I wouldn't agree to her getting a tattoo on a part of her body that's still growing and changing (breasts, stomach, etc) but if she had a good reason for wanting a tattoo, again I would probably agree. 

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  • BellaBefanaBellaBefana
    Posts: 8,714Member
    i pierced dd's ears at 18 months, other than maybe a second ear hole, not until she's old enough to do either without my signing.  once she's that age, then she can do what she pleases.
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  • MistressHeidiMistressHeidi
    Posts: 977Member
    Good Morning!  My kids and I have had this discussion recently. I won't agree to a tattoo. I was 24 when I got my first tattoo. I think you really should be older and put thought into, as tattoos are a lot more permanent then a piercing. When they get older and have thought about it I would be willing to pay for one as a gift. 

    Both of my kids have piercings. My dd15 has her ears pierced, her nose, three on her lip, and her belly button. I paid for all of them. They were birthday gifts or Christmas gifts or whatever. My oldest daughter has her ears pierced, she has three in one ear, and three in the other plus the cartilage, her nose and her belly button. I paid for those also. The piercings don't bother me, they can be removed and will heal up, or they can be removed for job interviews or working or whatever.
  • GritsGrits
    Posts: 3,854Member
    It's a pretty day here, too!! Loving this cooler weather. Alas, it won't last long...

    DD8 begged to get her ears pierced when she was 6. They've grown up now. And I won't do it again until she's at least 13. That was the agreement before she got them done. DD3 will have the same choice. As far as other piercings go, I guess it will depend on what it is. Gauges, no. Definitely not. Those things are not easy to cover up if needed for a job interview or whatever. Tattoos...no. And I will encourage them strongly to wait until they're older to get a tattoo. The only one I have that I'm not crazy about was the first one. I got it at 18, and I wish I hadn't. Plus, it's on my stomach...you can hardly tell what it is now.
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  • GisleyandHank
    Posts: 300Member

    My brothers both got tattoos at 17 in someone's basement. Not only are they kind of wonky, now that I've worked in a hospital I'm like "AAAAAHHHHH! MRSA!" My parents weren't mad at them, they just said "Why didn't you wait until you were 18? We would have paid for you to get a NICE tattoo." That's kind of how I feel, too. However, I'm goign to stress to my children, as mother did me, to only get it somewhere where it can be covered by normal clothing. Tattoos on hands, ankles, and behind the ear can prevent you from getting a job. Even if you have a job you like now that doesn't care, you never know when you'll be hard-up for work and need all the help you can get. I've even got my husband on board with that thought process with the placement of his tattoos, and he's a rancher!


    As for piercings, my husband won't even let DD get her ears pierced until she's 13! Probably at 16 I'd let her do her bellybutton or something. But I still think she should avoid facial peircing because of the job thing. I'm weird in that I think tattoos are classier than nose or Marilyn Monroe peircings. They look cheap to me, that's just how I feel.


    P.S. It's after 8:30 and my kids are still asleep! I must have wore them the fuck out yesterday, this has literally never happened! I wandered around in a daze for awhile before I realized I could finally read Coffeetalk with coffee!

  • ChristyJChristyJ
    Posts: 902Member
    Just to give you an idea, my husband is not even allowed to get a new tattoo until he has made the design and thought about it for six months, if he makes any changes, he has to wait another 6 months.  My DS, he will be over 18, and the same deal as hubby.  I love tats, I just don't have any myself because I have never seen anything I wanted on my body forever.
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  • Mommyliciousx4Mommyliciousx4
    Posts: 1,769Member
    My dd13 wants all sorts of piercings and I told her no way except for her ears and a small one for her nose. She wanted snake bites and I refused.
    If I thought she really considered a tattoo and it was tasteful I would consider it at 16, but I've told her shed be paying for it all.
    I wouldn't let her go crazy w any of it.
  • FreeToBeMee
    Posts: 643Member
    I've never cared about multiple ear holes but of course DD never wanted more than the two. I let her get her nose pierced for her 16th bday. Mine is pierced and its so common here, its practically like ears and, like me, the post she wears in it sooooo tiny.
    She has said since she was 13 that the 1st thing she was going to do after turning 18 was get a tattoo and she kept her word. I'm not crazy about the placement - kind of between boob and collar bone - but it is some of the most amazing work I've ever seen ! Its the Chesire Cat from Alice and Wonderland and the eyes are just stunning. 
  • LoveLove
    Posts: 12,845Administrator, Moderator
    etheriel said:

    I believe the laws here don't allow body piercings or tattoos for anyone under 18 even with parental consent



    Same here. 

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  • iamslowlygoingcrazy
    Posts: 145Member
    I don't have a problem ear piercings but definitely no where else until they are 18, same for tats.  I wasn't even allowed to dye my hair until i was 18 but I'd allow that before then.
  • Thefinder
    Posts: 1,664Member
    The reason I said no to the belly button because she would want to show it off  X(

    And the tongue is meant to enhance oral sex, so that is a hell no
  • FoulMouthedSailorFoulMouthedSailor
    Posts: 1,934Member
    I can do the the earrings, and I might sign off on a tattoo if it's in a discreet place like a shoulder blade or on the back... But anything pass that, not until they start dating at 25 >:)
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  • fatchickonabikefatchickonabike
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    Thefinder said:

    The reason I said no to the belly button because she would want to show it off  X(

    And the tongue is meant to enhance oral sex, so that is a hell no


    Yeah. I have a bit of a different perspective than most people about piercings and plastic surgery because of my nursing background. I've seen the worst-case scenarios and there is no fucking way I will ever authorize a piercing that comes in contact with her own or anyone else's saliva, nasal secretions or genitalia. Not fucking happening!

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  • unforgivenunforgiven
    Posts: 12,715Confessional Manager

    I can do the the earrings, and I might sign off on a tattoo if it's in a discreet place like a shoulder blade or on the back... But anything pass that, not until they start dating at 25 >:)



    LOL You should like my husband.

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  • shadylaneshadylane
    Posts: 3,037Member
    Yeah if dd was going to do something dumb like let somebody tattoo her in their basement if I didn't let her get one, I would say pick out the one u want and think about it and look at it every day for 6 months and then if u still must have it, I'll take u somewhere good and get it done but not on the boobs or stomach. If she's going to do it regardless of my permission I at least will make sure its well done. When she gets to be in her 20s if she wants one I will go and get one too, I have her name on my back and I'll tell her I expect her to do the same in return lol. I got her ears pierced when she was about 8 months, I know she would have wanted them someday and I figure its less traumatic to do it when they can't remember. My mom took me when I was like 7 and it hurt so freaking bad. She barely cried though. I have a second set of holes and my cartilage pierced, if she wants that done that's fine but idk about any other piercings before 18. Def not belly button or tongue. Possibly a tiny nose ring.
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  • French_momFrench_mom
    Posts: 1,566Member
    No percing exept ears,  when she ask to get it. Tatoos. Not until you are out of my house and legaly able to do so without a note from me.  

    I might discuss it if it is in a not showing place and i have Veto on what it is. You are not going to get a tatoo about a guy, EVER.  yes i have a tatoo, but the names on it are my kids. Not my BF of 14y. 
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  • PurpleFlowersPurpleFlowers
    Posts: 5,781Member
    My sons tattoo is his initials on his inner forearm. I did tell him that if he waited till he was 18, I would have paid for it and got one with him. I was livid when he showed me what he did, but at that point there was nothing I could do.
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  • GingersnapGingersnap
    Posts: 7,712Member
    I'm not opposed to ink, but I want them to be over 18 and I am not paying for it. Ink is a commitment that they should take very seriously. I'd strongly suggest alternatives (henna, topical inks)

    I think I'd okay most any simple piercings not in the nipples or groin area, and maybe *small* anchors/implants. I'd also insist the gauge stay small when they're under 18. I think I'll set a limit for the total of number of holes. Hmmm... How about not more than six piercings?
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  • jacigirl6354
    Posts: 199Member
    I was 18 when I got both my tattoo and my belly button ring. The tattoo, I got the first day I moved to college, the ring, later on. Do I regret either, no. Do I want either of my kids to have one before 18, hell no.
    DS15 wrestles and I cannot believe the amount of high school wrestlers who have full back tats, names, words, symbols, all the way across their backs...uh-uh, no way...
    Piercings, I'm fine with ears-anywhere on the ear, others? Nope-sorry...
  • momofdbbmomofdbb
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    Tattoos I think 18 is a good year. One a tatto is permant and well you have to take into account the growth issue. You don't want to get something and then have it streched out wrong. Placement is important. Piercing I would be more flexible on as long as it's not through cartilage. Nose sure, belly thats fine. If and when they get tired of it take the ring out and it grows back. Now the ear lobe plugs , no not till your older.
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