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Vicodin The New "Mother's Little Helper" ?
  • SouthernButterflySouthernButterfly
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    Okay, I don't know about you guys, but I know quite a few moms who take this stuff. Apparently it pulls them out of their depression and allows them to the energy to clean the house, take care of the kids, and keeps them from dwelling on the things they don't have going for them. It used to be Valium, now I know a lot of mom's on Vicodin. I'm not saying they take a whole bottle a day, but I do know they will pop a couple now and then to get through a particularly rough day. What do you guys think of this? I've been guilty of it a time or two myself. (Thought I do have valid chronic pain, from a nasty car crash two years ago.)
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  • unforgivenunforgiven
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    Taking anything that needs a prescription without a prescription sounds a little dangerous to me. I understand needing something to get through the day I'm totally not judging here. For me it's coffee and potato chips..(not together) lol.

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  • LoveLove
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    I don't know about Vicodin, but I'm still rocking on my Lortabs from my oral surgery. Bouncing off the walls, actually, and zero back pain, which is a pleasant enough side effect. I know a lot of people chewing tabs just to have the energy to get through the day too. When mine are gone, they'll just be gone, and I won't mortgage my soul to chase anymore. They're just really nice while they're here KWIM?
    I do, on occassion, buy Xanax from friends when I'm having a bad time, and my Lexapro just isn't cutting the mustard. I'm hoping in the coming months, my doctor will deign to modify my dosage (up, of course) or change my medication. I think that will help a lot.

    As I understand it, the narcotic in both of these (Lortabs and Vicodin)  is the same = hydrocodone, and they're both cut with acetaminophen. The only difference is the amount/dosage of the narcotic in the mix. 

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  • SouthernButterflySouthernButterfly
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    I'm very aware of the dangers, again, I do take mine for chronic pain, and it is prescribed. I'm talking about the moms who buy it, doctor shop for it, or get it from friends for the express purpose of having some kind of escape. I do know at least one who I don't blame for it. Her hubby doesn't help her much, and her MIL is some kind of horrible banshee/witch combination. But still!
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  • unforgivenunforgiven
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    For those mothers I would be worried about them is all. Mistakes can be made so easily. It just makes me nervous. 

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  • LoveLove
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    If she's buying it "off the street" anyway @SouthernButterfly, it might behoove her to avoid pain meds for recreational purposes, or for an escape. The Xanax might be a better route, as it will help with the frustration.

    BUT both are addictive, and it's just... it's problem-causing, rather than problem-solving. She needs to see a doctor and get a script for some anti-anxiety or anti-depression meds, and leave the pain pills alone, before she finds herself in a world she doesn't want to be in.

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  • unforgivenunforgiven
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    I'd be even more worried that she's not getting what she thinks she's getting. OR someone mixing them up or giving her something else. It's not worth the risk in my opinion. 

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  • LoveLove
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    I totally understand it. But I don't think those moms consider the long-term effects of their actions. Eventually off the street pills get very very expensive. And then someone changes their script, or move away, or whatever. They lose their supplier. Weaning off is hard, frustrating, and physically challenging, and she'll feel 100x worse without it, after taking it so long, than she felt before taking it to start with.


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  • AnonUser23
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    Yeah vicodin is a nice little high when prescribed for pain but taking them for the hell of it (which I am guilty of in the past) only leads to stonger drugs (also guilty). Vicodin will only be fun for about a month then you need to take percocet to get a high, then morphine, then oxycontin, then heroin. No matter what one you take the withdrawal is just as ugly. So yeah I suggest a nice fucking bubble bath if you need to de-stress from the kiddos lol
  • SouthernButterflySouthernButterfly
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    I think my friend needs to either tell her husband to man the ^$%^ up and tell off her Mother In Law. Or, she needs to leave him. I feel terrible for her, her son is 2 and my kiddo is almost 7. The two play together when I go to visit, and she's grateful for that little break. Every time I see her she is more down trodden. I worry she's going to lapse into harder drugs because she feels she has no way out. :( It's really sad. I really think that a lot of women see it as an escape, and makes them feel like supermom. I wonder why no one has called attention to this issue yet? It's more rampant than Valium and Vodka in the 50's.
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  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    I found this old thread when I was looking for the "laughter is the new medicine" thread or whatever that thread was titled.  I wanted to share a funny pic but this thread caught my attention.

    I know someone who is a vicodin junkie.  She is always glassy eyed and always trying to find money to buy more.  It is sad.  Thankfully she has no kids.  her spouse, however, has a legit pain need for them and the prescription  ones they get are for him and he gives 1/2 of them to her and suffers with less pain meds than he needs because of her addiction.  It's messed up all around.

    My mother also had a vicodin "problem" as well.  She originally got them prescribed when she had hip replacement surgery.  She still has pain, but she will freely tell you that the vicodin was the only way for her to get through her day (energy boosts).   Her doc stopped them and I think it was because she was combining them with alcohol and the doc found out.  I am pretty sure my uncle (he brother) ratted her out to the doc, I don't know.  She hasn't had them in a year or so but she is still PISSED that she no longer has them.  She wouldn't ever think of buying them off the street though... even if she had the money (she doesn't).

      She also took valium in the 70's.  I remember that even as a little kid.... and when she couldn't get them she was much more of a bitch.

    Honestly I wish my mom would just smoke a joint. 

    I will admit that I have taken V's for a "bad headache" or something else that was painful but didn't really require THAT kind of pain medication.  I used to get migraines that they couldn't figure out (they were not standard) and I had a script for about 20 Vicodin a month.  I never took that many.  I always had at least 10 to 15 leftover but I refilled the script anyway "just in case". When the weird headaches stopped so did the prescription.  But, I have friends and family who will give me a handful here and there and I *do* justfiy taking them when I have my period because my cramps are really that bad.   But I also must admit enjoying the feeling they give me with how they stop my anxiety.  I am unlike most, I don't get speedy or energetic from them.  I do get "happy" high, and calm though and for ONCE, for a few hours, I am not drowning in anxiety.

    I know I should address my anxiety issues with a doc but I have yet to do that.   I take the Vicodin maybe three or four times a month (five of the low dose ones) when I have severe cramps or when my back goes out, and I don't think this is a problem, but I recognize how it *could* be a problem.  Then again, like my mom, I couldn't afford street pills no matter what so it wouldn't be an issue.  

    I don't know, just wanted to comment i guess.  Not sure if I have a point.



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  • episcopal
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    @Love couldn't have said it any better.  Don't mess with painkillers after your script runs out.  They are HIGHLY addictive.
  • undercoverbanana
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    i took them after my surgery. i can see how the warm fuzzy feeling might help. but, that's not what they are for. and the not pooping thing sucks.
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  • TorturedbyTWINSTorturedbyTWINS
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    I'm not a very addictive person.  I find some painkillers give me crazy dreams.  I also don't feel like I can think as quickly as I need to on heavy drugs.  I need to be pretty sharp with twins running the show around here.  I have a prescription for percocet if my migraines get too bad but I look at that pill bottle as the absolute last resort before the emergency room.  I also can't do any mothering while completely high on drugs...  I don't trust myself to be watchful enough so DH has to come home if I get crappy migraines.  I've never gotten an energy boost from pain killers, I just feel loopy and drunk.  
  • CalliopemarieCalliopemarie
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    vicoden does seem to make it so I want to do stuff. weird.
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  • pdxmama
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    Like @handtowellady said, it's a very slippery path. 90 percent of the heroin addicts I've known in my life (and believe me, I've known many) started with pills. Vicoden, Percocet, whatever. It's all the same, opiates are opiates. Most people get strung out on pills and as their tolerance goes up they get harder to get. Too expensive, doctor cuts off the script, and they find themselves in a world of hurt. Opiate withdrawal is horrific, and when you're that sick and some "friend" tells you that her on is the same high, only much stronger AND way cheaper... Suddenly it doesn't seem like such a crazy idea.
    Now, believe me, I'm not saying that everyone who pops a pain pill here and there is gonna turn into a junkie, but most junkies do start out popping pills. Just my experience.
  • BellaBefanaBellaBefana
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    It's not only dangerous to take Vicoden w/o a prescription. It's illegal.  Vicoden, when used appropriately, is a very good drug.  This is not, however an appropriate use of it, and using it in this way is what's leading to addictions and maligning a very good medication.

    Not to mention, that the acetominophen present in Vicoden is one of the most dangerous medications on the market despite the fact that it's an over the counter head ache remedy.  It will ruin your kidneys if you take too much of it, and it doesn't take long to do so.

    If someone feels the need to take a Vicoden to "make it through the day" they need to see a doctor.  I know there are a lot of jokes about Valium in the '60's, but quite honestly, it's a safer drug than Vicoden, because it doesn't have the active component of Tylenol in it.
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  • LoveLove
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    @BellaBefana from a personal standpoint, (not medical), I have to say that Valium makes me feel heavy and 'drugged'... while hydrocodone makes me feel hyper and good. It does not however, (either of them) make me feel more laid-back or chilled out, like Xanax does.

    The doctor tried my mom on valium, before he put her on whatever-it-is she's on now, and it was a nightmare. She said she felt like a zombie, and she was totally almost-homicidally mean. I was very glad when he put her on her current happy-pills!

    I know different medications affect people in very varied ways, though, which is why I think it's important for people who feel the need to take meds to get them through the day, seek medical care from a physician or psychiatrist for it, so that if it doesn't work, they can tweak the dose, or try something else. Pills (of any kind) are not something to play around with! (and buying shit off the street just straight up terrifies me--it's sooooo dangerous!)

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  • undercoverbanana
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    is this a general thing, or does somebody need some help? i can tell you that when i took hydrocodone (generic vicoden) that i DEFINATELY couldn't drive, needed adult supervision in the grocery store(lysol? ok, honey. oooh....butterfly...ooooh, shiny.. omg! make up! i LOVE make up!...and i got lost in frozen foods, lost my glasses, tearfully yelling MARCO! waiting for him to yell "polio" because every other husband in the store said "polo!") and i know he prefered me dopey, and mostly helpless..................so, it was not my thing. i hated feeling like the fish from nemo. but, i can see it as a coping mechanism, when shit is just too much. BUT......at least get different shit. please. if you can.
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  • undercoverbanana
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    yeah..................i weaned myslf back off asap....................surgery sucked.
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  • LoveLove
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    is this a general thing, or does somebody need some help? i can tell you that when i took hydrocodone (generic vicoden) that i DEFINATELY couldn't drive, needed adult supervision in the grocery store(lysol? ok, honey. oooh....butterfly...ooooh, shiny.. omg! make up! i LOVE make up!...and i got lost in frozen foods, lost my glasses, tearfully yelling MARCO! waiting for him to yell "polio" because every other husband in the store said "polo!") and i know he prefered me dopey, and mostly helpless..................so, it was not my thing. i hated feeling like the fish from nemo. but, i can see it as a coping mechanism, when shit is just too much. BUT......at least get different shit. please. if you can.



    I'm sorry, that was hilarious and tragic all at the same time, and I can definitely relate! Eric wouldn't let me go out in public after my surgery, I was just way too loopy!

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  • BellaBefanaBellaBefana
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    I don't know about Vicodin, but I'm still rocking on my Lortabs from my oral surgery. Bouncing off the walls, actually, and zero back pain, which is a pleasant enough side effect. I know a lot of people chewing tabs just to have the energy to get through the day too. When mine are gone, they'll just be gone, and I won't mortgage my soul to chase anymore. They're just really nice while they're here KWIM?
    I do, on occassion, buy Xanax from friends when I'm having a bad time, and my Lexapro just isn't cutting the mustard. I'm hoping in the coming months, my doctor will deign to modify my dosage (up, of course) or change my medication. I think that will help a lot.

    As I understand it, the narcotic in both of these (Lortabs and Vicodin)  is the same = hydrocodone, and they're both cut with acetaminophen. The only difference is the amount/dosage of the narcotic in the mix. 


    Vicoden and Lortab are exactly the same, even the dosage, and they are both available in multiple different doses, just by different manufacturers, in fact if your insurance requires generics, you're getting the same drug, or if your pharmacy is out of one, they'll likely substitute the other of the same dose.  The only difference that i can find is that the lowest dose available is Lortab 2.5/500 mg whereas Vicoden's lowest dose is 5/500 mg

    My point earlier point in saying that Valium is the safer option was not that it's a better drug,  but that one 1) valium has no acetominiphen, 2) benzodiazapenes (i.e., valium, xanax, ativan) are a more appropriate choice than narcotics.  If a benzo is making you feel like a zombie, then you're likely on the wrong medication or the wrong dose.

    Neither of these classes of drugs should be taken lightly, and obtaining them without a prescription and taking them without medical supervision is not a good idea.  Having said that, I doubt that there's any of us who hasn't taken the last couple of hydro's left over from a procedure for a  a headache or something. 
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  • stevienixxxstevienixxx
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    i am not an addictive person but i could have seen myself getting heavy into vicodin/opiates. they make me feel soooo damn good. but thats the problem- it feels so good that ive been able to look ahead to how easily i could get sucked in into a nasty habit that could really fuck up my life. plus, has anybody else experienced how constipated they make you? its like pooping out a sharp rock. lol. that alone was enough to scare me off.
  • MaryPoppins25
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    When I hear about moms needing to have something to not feel on the edge all the time I always find myself asking "what happened to smoking a j?" that shit will relax you and make playing with your kids fun instead of a chore. Dan really doesn't like it very much and probably thinks I'm too old to be smoking so I mainly just do it while out with friends. I would prob smoke daily if a) I didn't learn about biofeedback, mj really helped with my anxiety or b) dan didn't hate it so much :s I just think it's safer than using prescription drugs, it's scary how addictive they are.
  • GritsGrits
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    My BIL was bad on Lortab for awhile. He got so bad that he'd crush and snort them, sometimes he'd even throw in a xanax for fun--so stupid. When he'd been doing it for awhile, he turned into a different person. He was a total asshole all.the.time. Even more so when he couldn't get his hands on any for whatever reason. I have totally jacked a tab from DH before when I worked at Amazon. It helped me finish the day strong and I didn't feel as much like I'd been hit by a truck when I got off. So I totally see where people are coming from here, but I think they're way too addictive and I really wish they weren't so available. There's a new one floating around here called Opana. I'm not really sure what's in it--pretty sure it's not the same as a Vicodin or Lortab, much stronger. Several people have OD'd while using them. Scary shit.
    eapple said:

    When I hear about moms needing to have something to not feel on the edge all the time I always find myself asking "what happened to smoking a j?" that shit will relax you and make playing with your kids fun instead of a chore.



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  • SchweddyBallsSchweddyBalls
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    eapple said:

    When I hear about moms needing to have something to not feel on the edge all the time I always find myself asking "what happened to smoking a j?" that shit will relax you and make playing with your kids fun instead of a chore. Dan really doesn't like it very much and probably thinks I'm too old to be smoking so I mainly just do it while out with friends. I would prob smoke daily if a) I didn't learn about biofeedback, mj really helped with my anxiety or b) dan didn't hate it so much :s I just think it's safer than using prescription drugs, it's scary how addictive they are.



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  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    @eapple  and @grits and @SchweddyBalls  

    I have no objections at all to someone taking a hit or two.  In fact I live with someone with chronic pain due to back injury and nerve damage that doesn't respond to any of the usual pain meds or treatments and in fact, MJ is the ONLY thing that helps. 

    I grew up around weed (my brother) and I am completely pro-legalization but I will say that from a personal POV I hate the way it makes me feel.  HATE it.  Even if I just smoke a tiny bit I feel so stupid that I'd be lucky to remember how to wipe my own ass.  Then I get hungry, then I get sleepy, all in an hour or so.   Sometimes my anxious thoughts get worse.

    By contrast the effects of a Vicodin for me are totally different.  I feel happy and pleasant and reasonable, I stop obsessing about all of my anxiety related obsessions (which is pretty much anything, really) and I feel like I can just relax a bit and actually enjoy whatever it is I am doing.  I don't get energetic... nothing has that effect on me really.  I just feel "ok" in a way I haven't experienced since I was a teenager.   Just NOT worrying for once.

    I wish that smoking worked in a different way for me, honestly. 


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  • deviltwinsmommadeviltwinsmomma
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    Same here @Charlotte_Sometimes I don't like the way weed makes me feel now as an adult. I would rather have a Xanax. And I do like hydrocodone but I'm not going down no mutha fuckin dark alley for it. So if I have it yay me if I don't no big deal I can survive. LOL
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  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    Same here @Charlotte_Sometimes I don't like the way weed makes me feel now as an adult. I would rather have a Xanax. And I do like hydrocodone but I'm not going down no mutha fuckin dark alley for it. So if I have it yay me if I don't no big deal I can survive. LOL



    Me too.  Except, I haven't had a Xanax in 16 years.   It was prescribed to me when my DS20 was 4, for my anxiety, and I had no experience with it.  The doc wanted me taking it 3 or 4 times a day.  I don't remember what the dosage was but OMG.  It knocked me out cold.   I am that way with many meds... once I remember being at my father's when I was a teenager, and he gave me an OTC sinus medication and I slept for 17 hours!  I am super sensitive to many things in that way. 

    So anyhow, I took the Xanax as prescribed, for two days, then went back and told the Doc that it was crazy, I could not function alone with a four year old in the house and take that shit, I kept falling asleep.  He just told me to stop taking it instead of lowering the dosage.  So I haven't taken it since but I have wondered if it might not help me if I had a lower dosage, with my kids older and all.


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  • SchweddyBallsSchweddyBalls
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    Same here @Charlotte_Sometimes I don't like the way weed makes me feel now as an adult. I would rather have a Xanax. And I do like hydrocodone but I'm not going down no mutha fuckin dark alley for it. So if I have it yay me if I don't no big deal I can survive. LOL


    And @Charlotte_Something see, Xanax knocks my dick straight into the dirt!!!!! When my grandmother passed, my uncle gave me a scrip for 10, 2mg pills. Shit you not, fell asleep (more like lost conscienceness) sitting up in bed within 20 minutes!!!!! I was a zombie the next day!!!!! I promptly put those little things away!!!!! Course vicoden knocks me out too....in fact, I have a hard time taking most prescription strengthed anything.....imma light weight. But give me a puffpuff and I'm good, relax, good mood.......will whip together a four course spread and chill out watching tv till the wee hours.
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  • regpregp
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    I think it's a bad, bad idea. Get to a doctor and get something you actually need or you are going to eventually Anna Nicole Smith/Heath Ledger/Amy Winehouse/Whitney Houston yourself because you keep needing more and more drugs or a combo of drugs to get the same feeling you used to get from one pill. 



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  • undercoverbanana
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    and being high and blind in a grocery store sucks. and so does the not pooping thing.

    i can't imagine taking a COUPLE and even being functional enough to make a bowl of cereal. i took 1/2, or one whole one, and i was ridiculous. i even managed to stab myself with a cardboard box, somehow.

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  • regpregp
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    @undercoverbanana - Moms may think that their kids can't tell when they are taking pills, but I think most would figure out quickly that something is different about their mom when she's on something.

    I have a work acquaintance that I have to collaborate with quite a bit who is on some type of painkillers or something similar. She had surgery last year and since then she has not been the same. She will seem fine and then when you see her again even a couple hours later, the difference is apparent. It's sad because I can't ask her about it or share with her my own experience with thinking I didn't have a real problem. Anyway, I usually only see her a couple of times a month but I see the difference - I imagine my kids could tell the difference in my mood/behavior/etc and I'm sure other kids notice their moms' too.
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  • fatchickonabikefatchickonabike
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    @regp, I think you're right. As soon as they're old enough, I think most kids would pick up on it. And I just worry about how functional these moms really are when they're on these meds. Do they take this stuff and drive, for instance?
    Also, what few people know is that all narcotics have a different effect on the brain depending on whether the person is in pain or not. Take them for pain and most of their effect will go toward pain relief. Take them when you're not in pain, and the "high" is much stronger and more addictive. But of course the body adapts, and then you need more and more to get the same effect, as others have pointed out. Throw in a little alcohol and you've got Heath Ledger. (Actually, I researched it and Heath Ledger didn't have alcohol in his system, so never mind). Anyway, regardless, it scares me.
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  • stinkersmommystinkersmommy
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    Can I just say I feel that I am damn lucky that I am allergic to most of the codeine family so no lortab vicodein or morphine for me but ya know the lovely demeroyll was nice when in labor!!
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    Really..Vicodin? It doesn't do much for me except help with pain. Never noticed an energy boost or anything.
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  • regpregp
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    @fatchickonabike I worry about the same thing...who is going to drive in an emergency?

    And I think a lot of people think if they don't mix alcohol with their pills, they are good to go. Those same people think nothing of combining different pills and that is highly dangerous.
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