FUCK you, Mayor Bloomberg. Get a vagina, THEN tell me how to feed my babies.
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    Dear
    Mayor Bloomberg, when you have a vagina, and can give birth, THEN and
    ONLY then can you tell a mother how to feed her baby. I didn't
    breastfeed any of my kids, and they are just fine. Mind your own damned
    business, and just handle your responsibilities to the city of NYC. My
    boobs and babies are none of your business. Idiot.

    Women who are unable to breastfeed are already made to feel inadequate when it comes to feeding their babies.  I was unable to do it with any of my babies, and constantly felt judged for it.  Yes, breast is best.  Fucking save it for the next new mom that might give a fuck about your opinion.  My oldest is an honor roll student and perfectly healthy.  The fact that this MAN is trying to tell women how to feed their babies just pisses me off so bad.  I want to thump him in the balls and tell him to jump off the nearest bridge.

    (CBS/AP) First he took on big servings of soda. Next on Mayor Michael Bloomberg's agenda is infant formula.

    Going into effect on September 3, New York City's mayor will implement his voluntary Latch On NYC initiative in which infant formula will be kept locked away at hospitals to encourage breast-feeding for new mothers.

    Report: Massachusetts birth hospitals ditch free infant formula gift bags
    Breast-Feeding State by State: Who's #1?

    Under the new program, reported by the New York Post,
    mothers who insist on bottle-feeding will still be able to do so, but
    nurses would have to sign out the baby formula, which would always be on
    hand for mothers who have difficulty breast-feeding.

    The Post
    reports that 27 of the city's 40 hospitals have also agreed to eliminate
    gift bag giveaways of infant formula and other free items like lanyards
    or mugs with formula-company logos.

    The mayor has gotten
    criticized over the new policy, which is set to take effect in
    September. While some are chiding the mayor for imposing a "nanny
    state," The National Alliance for Breast-feeding Advocacy says it's a
    good program.

    The Alliance's executive director says keeping
    baby formula under lock and key, like medicines are kept, helps prevent
    hospital staffers from reaching for a bottle first, instead of
    encouraging new mothers to nurse their babies.

    The program is
    voluntary for hospitals, and is part of a nationwide effort to improve
    newborns' health by promoting breast-feeding for babies.

    Some
    city hospitals are already taking part in the program. At NYU Langone
    Medical Center, breast-feeding rates have surged from 39 percent of new
    moms to 68 percent since the program was implemented, the Post reported.

    Earlier this month, Massachusetts health officials announced they would eliminate free giveaways of infant formula at the state's 49 hospitals beginning at the end of July to promote breast-feeding.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends
    that moms exclusively breast-feed for the first six months of a
    newborn's life to boost protection against many illnesses and allergies.

    Babies
    who are fed formula and stop breast-feeding early may be more at risk
    for diabetes, respiratory and ear infections and are more likely to
    require doctor visits, prescriptions or hospitalizations, according to
    the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    Children who aren't breast-fed are also more likely to be obese and are
    at a higher risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

    The
    CDC says in the U.S., most babies start breast-feeding, but within the
    first week, half have already been given formula, and by 9 months, only
    31% of babies are breast-feeding at all.

    The CDC has more on breast-feeding.

  • OpheliaOphelia
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    That was my thought too. Who the fuck does that man think he is? Shit, I don't even really want to hear it from another woman, but at least they understand what my body just went through.
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  • ToothfairyToothfairy
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    @GirdyOlee, I AGREE!!!!! I couldn't bf my boys, and believe me, I TRIED EVERYTHING! I finally threw in the towel, because I was miserable! I felt like I was putting all of this unnecessary pressure on myself, and I couldn't 'enjoy' my new baby. I cried, beat myself up, and felt guilt for a long time. Finally, I got over it, and my boys are now 2 and 4, and perfectly fine. I know "breast is best", but it just didn't work out that way for us. New moms should be encouraged to bf, but they shouldn't feel shame if they can't or just don't want to. The fed and state governments need to stay out of our vagina's and our bra's! 
  • SassySassy
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    As far as I am concerned this is incentive for hospital staff to encourage new mothers to breastfeed more instead of just giving formula right away if its tough.

    That being said, I disagree with nurses lecturing the patient every time they bring a bottle. The mother already knows.

    Anyway that is only the hospitals. And they won't refuse to provide formula.

    When you go home feed your kid however you want. Freely.
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    @Sassy, from my experience, hospitals already encourage new moms to breastfeed. It's not up to them, though. It's up to the mother. It may just be a personal choice not to breastfeed, and there's nothing wrong with that. As long as the baby is being fed something nutritious, which formula IS, it's up to the mother.

    I don't need to wait till I get home to feed my baby the way I want, because it's MY baby. I'm paying the hospital bill, and raising the child. Not Mayor Bloomberg or anyone else.

    Encouragement is one thing. Outright pressure and laws with no basis is another thing. Politicians should have no say in this, period.
  • SassySassy
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    I'm really nonconfrontational. Hence my outlook.
  • MaryPoppins25
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    I have seen a couple posts with this new probreastfeeding agenda as the topic. I am a little confused as to why everyone is so uptight about it, formula is still available upon request. As for the nurse talking with the mom at each feeding, maybe they can get to the root of the problem. Breast feeding isn't easy and there are many solutions to minor issues that prevent moms from bfing. If a mom is dead set on formula feeding then she should have formula in her go bag IMO. I see this as a way to get over the "I can't breast feed" attitude and start trouble shooting problems so more moms are able to feed their baby by breast. Think about how many women "can't" breast feed in third world countries, where formula isn't always available or within a mothers means.
  • OpheliaOphelia
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    The root of my problem? I just didn't want to. They'd get the same answer every time. Like @girdyolee said, it's my baby, my body, I'm paying my bills, so the politicians can fuck off.
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  • sheykaysheykay
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    @GirdyOlee and @ophelia, I completely agree with you both. Who do people think they are to tell anyone how to feed their babies. I went threw alp the same shit with nurses ect about bfeeding. Pissed me off. And all the women who think they have room to butt in Or judge someone for not doing it need to get a life and worry about there own kids and life. Screw anyone who says otherwise its your choice no 1 else's. F that.
  • AutumnAutumn
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    eapple said:

     I see this as a way to get over the "I can't breast feed" attitude and start trouble shooting problems so more moms are able to feed their baby by breast.




    I agree with you ^^here^^ @eapple.  However, many mothers who were unable to breastfeed in the hospital have bad experiences with pushy/rude nurses.  They were very reluctant at my hospital to give my son any formula at all.  I think this new program will only justify those nurses' behavior.  I'm not saying all nurses are like that.  It was just my experience, and I believe I've seen other women here say the same thing.
  • MaryPoppins25
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    @Ophelia that's fine and it is a personal choice. So go prepared to the hospital with your own formula so you don't have to sign any out. I don't expect free diapers, formula feeding moms should expect free formula... And I mean you as a general statement
  • twinmommy2004
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    I don't think it is the hospital's responsibility to make it more difficult to get the formula for new mothers.  my babies did not latch.  I tried everything.  The root of the problem - I don't know - I had multiple lactation consultations, I tried feeding them umpteen different ways. the absolute LAST thing I needed at that time was someone telling me that I should try harder because the formula was under lock and key. 


    Don't all the pro-breastfeeding signs on the subway make women who don't feel bad enough? Can't they just do a seminar with the nurses and impress upon them the preference for breastfeeding?  Do they really have to lock it up and make the government get involved?

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  • sheykaysheykay
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    @eapple, Um you don't get free formula at the hospital. It's in the cost of room and board.... Nothing is free at a hospital.
  • Mommyliciousx4Mommyliciousx4
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    I'm pro bf, but this is ridiculous.
    Women are already in pain, overwhelmed, and emotional, then to have to be lectured by someone over their personal choices is absurd.
    I'm plan to bf, but ill be damned if some opinionated jag off is going to say something to me if I decide to give kiddo a bottle.
    I will do what I feel is best for me and the baby!
  • MaryPoppins25
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    @autumn I went into having children knowing I would breastfeed. The only thing that would get in my way was a medical issue, which thank heavens I didn't have any issues with. I did however have every other issue under the sun from bad latch to cracked nipples, mastitis to low supply. I'm not sure what you consider unable but if a mother thinks sh may be unable to breast feed she should come prepared with formula IMO. In fact I KNEW I would breast feed however I had a can of formula available just in case of a medical necessity.
  • MaryPoppins25
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    @sheykay I'm in Canada and we dont pay for our hospital stays or delivery. You're expected to bring what you need for your baby.
  • AutumnAutumn
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    I should have said unsuccessful instead of unable @eapple.  When I went to the hospital, I had every intention to breastfeed.  I was too ill to hold my baby for 10 hours, so the nurses gave him formula.  I still tried to breastfeed.  My little guy was so impatient, and my milk was so slow.  I had to supplement with formula from day 1.  I kept trying for 6 weeks.  I only got him to latch on a handful of times; I pumped until I went dry.  I agree that I should have brought formula just in case, but we are so accustomed to formula being readily available at the hospital I didn't think about it.  (Which will obviously change if more cities adopt the same program)  Anyway, the nurses were very insistent that I should not give my son formula, even though I would try for hours to get a good latch.  Their attitude was like, "This is the easiest, most natural thing in the world.  WTF is wrong with you??"
  • sheykaysheykay
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    @eapple, oh I'm sorry I didn't know it was different there.
  • mommydeliriousmommydelirious
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    @eapple did they even offer you formula at the hospital as a giveaway? Im in Canada too and there was no formula gift bag.
    The only time they offered formula was when she was inconsolable, I didn't have my milk in yet, and she needed to go in the "baby tanning bed" because of jandice. They came and asked me before they gave it to her. That was the only time she had formula, but if I had of wanted her to have it it would have been available, they just didnt' even talk about it. 
    So maybe here they already do this sort of thing?
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  • sheykaysheykay
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    I do agree with @eapple that if you don't want to bfeed and are expected to take everything to the hospital you need for your baby you should take formula...
  • MaryPoppins25
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    @autumn I'm sorry you had such a hard time :( anytime I talk with a new mom about bfing I always say that yes it is the most natural way to feed your baby but it doesn't always come naturally. For me I bf for the first few days until my nipples literally looked like they might fall off they were so cracked. I had to exclusively pump for a week after that to let them heal before I went back to bfing. it was in no way easy lol, I don't know who those nurses were trying to kid. I really don't think making someone feel guilty or bad about having a hard time is the right approach. I think the nurses/LC need to be offering support, solutions, different positions etc. Not making a mom feel bad because it isnt sunshine and roses.

    @sheykay no worries, its actually in the states that this law is being passed so i am actually the odd ball here c:
  • MaryPoppins25
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    @mommydelirious I wasn't offered formula but the nurses knew my plans and supported them. I was sent home with a nestle gift bag that included a can of formula and coupons. The woman in the room with me (I had to share after I gave birth) was formula feeding as well as breast feeding and from what I heard (there was only a curtain as a room divider) they had no problem giving her formula when she requested it. She also got diapers from the hospital and pads from me...
  • KiinuKiinu
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    From what I read in a few articles it said that if mother's choose to turn down BFing and asked for formula the nurses had to ask why, every time. That's the part I found a bit ridiculous. I agree it's the mother's choice either way. I do think that hospitals need to promote Breastfeeding a lot more then they do. When we had DD6 and DD3 the only thing they asked was 'do you plan on breasfeeding?" My ex with DD6 originally wanted to but we later found out she didn't make enough milk. The only thing the hospital did was require her to take a breast feeding class before she could be discharged. With DD4 her mother had no interest, they didn't bother trying to promote it at all, they just said ok to it.

    I think hospitals should try and push mother's a little bit more to get new mother's to breastfeed. But to require them to explain why they aren't choosing too everytime they ask for formula is a bit over the top. I don't think  a mother should have to explain to anyone her reason for that decision,
  • AutumnAutumn
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    It's alright @eapple.  I just don't feel like the nurses are honest about how difficult it can be.  We should be getting, "It's ok, we'll try again later," instead of guilt, "Your baby won't be healthy unless you breastfeed."  I worry that this program will empower the already pushy nurses and consultants..you know?

  • TVmommyTVmommy
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    I tried for six weeks. I tried and tried and tried. I went to the damn WIC office for help... I pumped... I did everything that was suggested. My milk never came in all the way. I was a wreck and DD lost weight. Our pediatrician finally sat me down and told me there was nothing wrong with formula feeding and for the sake of my daughter it had to be done. I felt terrible anyway! The idea of a mother in a similar situation having to go to the hospital to get what her child needs makes my heart twist up. They want to treat formula like a controlled substance damn it! To me it would have added insult to injury. I would have felt like I HAD TO BEG to get my DD the nutrition she NEEDED to survive. I would have been mortified. It was hard enough! I find it unfair to say the least....... Its a sensitive subject and deserves to be handled delicately.  I still feel very strongly about my experience with this... As you ladies can tell....    
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  • MaryPoppins25
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    @autumn I agree that it would give them more fuel. I didnt realize nurses were so pushy about it :s it's a shame because you get more bees with honey than vinegar.
  • KiinuKiinu
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    Lols... I don't have two exes with babies... @ConfusedDad didn't log in as himself.
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    @Sassy, I apologize if my comment to you was confrontational. I get up on my soap box sometimes, and breathe fire at anyone who seems to disagree with me. It's a flaw if character that I'm working on. I appreciate your point if view and after reading it, I understand where you're coming from, even if it's not the way I would react in the same situation. :\">
  • regpregp
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    The hospital where I had my DD did not blink when I said that I was going to feed her formula. When my son was born, I wasn't on medication anymore so I was going to nurse him. The nurses at that hospital acted like it was a sex act or something. I can't tell you the number of times they told me to "just give him formula". Pushy goes both ways :(

    Anyway, hospitals here do give diapers for the duration of your stay so I don't see a problem with providing formula while you are there but the pushiness of the formula freebies and gift bags here are insane. I WISH they sent you home with a box of diapers! lol
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  • MegsueMegsue
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    To give another view on this: the ladies who get the bitchy and pushy nurses...bitch slap them and tell them to get the fuck out of your face! I make a damn good living trying my best not to make new mothers feel bad when they don't want to breast feed. I'm not a "lactation specialist" by any stretch of the imagination, hell, I can't even show you that many tricks that actually work. My own fucking kid on bf for 3 mos exclusively, and then I started supplementing with formula. Who the fuck am I as your nurse to tell you what to do? I am here to educate you and give you confidence in your first major decision you make in motherhood. Fuck that noise! All you ladies need to come have babies at my place...we don't treat you like shit because you don't want/can't/don't have the confidence to bf. Imma kill all the bitchy nurses giving me a bad name out there!!!! X(
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  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    @PallasAthene, Take issue if you will, but YES, I would most definitely take the same issue if Mayor Blomberg were a woman. Politicians should have ZERO place telling a new mom whether or not she can/should/will breastfeed, nor how we should parent our children, period. Politicians can have their own kids and make those decisions.

    I agree with you that this should be up to BOTH parents, to an extent. As far as fathers are concerned, and this may sound harsh, but until they can lactate and are prepared to take the time (at least 6 months is recommended) away from work, or to express their milk, and to deal with ALL the issues that come with bf'ing, NO... the final decision is mom's.

    Several have said the formula (here in the U.S.) is free and provided by the hospital, but that's untrue. That cost is included in your bill. It was on all of my births, for sure. As were the diapers, wipes, and necessary hygiene items for myself. There was a complimentary diaper bag from Similac when I checked out with one can of formula that we never used (wrong stuff), and some other stuff, but nothing big.
  • AnonUser37
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    I have to say, @palasathena, you are in my head on this one....what does Bloomberg being a man have to do with this....? Are men not equal part parents?

    The law takes it too far, but i absolutely think the ease with which many hospitals will just give forumla before encouraging mothers who WANT to nurse, is awful. I told a nurse to get her fucking hands off my baby, because she ASSUMED based on my age that i wasnt nursing and tried to give him formula. No one ever offered to help me. They offered me formula. It wasn't until my mother raised holy hell that a lactation specialist was offered to me. I want to see laws and rules in place to aide breastfeeding knowledge and help but there is a medium between this and having nothing at all.
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    @Megsue, thanks for being an awesome nurse. On a side note, all of my nurses when I had my last two kids were AMAZING. I take no issue with the nurses. It bothers me that a politician wants to shove this policy down their throats and put them on the front line with hormonal women who are new moms. It's not right in so many levels!!!
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    And on one final note, so it's clear... I most definitely would have breast fed if I could have. It SHOULD be encouraged... by hospital staff and doctors, NOT shoved down our throats by a politician. It's best for babies and I'm all for that.
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  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    Agreed. Instead if saying MAN, I should have said POLITICIAN. I stand by the vagina/birth comment, however. Even dad's shouldn't get the final say in breastfeeding. Including Mayor Bloomberg. I'd tell the father of my kids the same thing. MY body, MY decision. Dad is welcome to his opinion, just not the final decision.

    I'm honestly not trying to discount the role of fatherhood. The roles are just different, plain and simple. Dad can't (not that he neccesarily wouldn't if he could) provide the same things a mom can. That's just a scientific fact. He CAN'T breastfeed. If they could, mom's everywhere would rejoice and sleep better at least some nights!!! (Though it was hard enough just to get MY DH up to feed a bottle. I can only imagine if he would have had cracked nipples and had to deal with bf'ing!!! LOL!!!)

    It did come off as man-hating, so you're right, there. That probably comes from some other shit going on.
  • SassySassy
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    @GirdyOlee no worries :)
  • 456Imamom
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    To give another view on this: the ladies who get the bitchy and pushy nurses...bitch slap them and tell them to get the fuck out of your face! I make a damn good living trying my best not to make new mothers feel bad when they don't want to breast feed. I'm not a "lactation specialist" by any stretch of the imagination, hell, I can't even show you that many tricks that actually work. My own fucking kid on bf for 3 mos exclusively, and then I started supplementing with formula. Who the fuck am I as your nurse to tell you what to do? I am here to educate you and give you confidence in your first major decision you make in motherhood. Fuck that noise! All you ladies need to come have babies at my place...we don't treat you like shit because you don't want/can't/don't have the confidence to bf. Imma kill all the bitchy nurses giving me a bad name out there!!!! 

    @Megsue


    Thank you for your view! I suffered from nurses who were not experts, but pushy as all hell trying to "help" and giving me shit advice. My nipple riipped so badly from one bad latch that I was in tears and my DS was screaming and the bitch kept telling me "oh, it hurts a little, but ok" WTF! I ended up with a 3mm laceration hat didn't START to heal until DS was 10 weeks. And she was the nurse that was suggested to help with BF. I know that there are nurses that aren't like that, but her and a few other pushy and judgemental nurses really gave them a bad name.
    I'm 12 weeks with baby #2 and I plan on delivering at the same hospital (in Canada). My doctor knows the hell I went through with DS and I have an amazing LC that I worked with. I plan on telling the hospital when I fill in my registration papers that I do plan on BFding. That I had a horrible time in the past, and I do not want help from anyone unless they are a certified LC. I will bring in my own (and pay out of pocket) if need to.
  • Momster
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    I'm betting this is only the first step. Its voluntary now but will it be in the future?  Will moms have to have a prescription to buy it from the stores?  How is it the governments place to tell me how much I can drink?  It wont be long before they are telling us what we can/can't drink.  Its getting scary in the ol' USA...

  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    @Momster... exactly.
  • DaBOMB
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    This is bs... complete and total bs. I intended to bf. Long delivery with complications kept me from my son for hours. When the 3 different lc's attempted to help me express milk there was none. I had no pressure, no filling, worked for hours everyday attempting to make it happen... used this crazy tube that was taped to my boob for 6 or 7 weeks. Tears and so many sleepless nights. The hospital didn't lock up my food. It was brought to me oon a schedule. Yes, I paid for it. If I want formula for my baby I should only have to say, he's hungry, please bring him a bottle. No lecture, no discussion. Period.
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    456Imamom said:

    Thank you for your view! I suffered from nurses who were not experts, but pushy as all hell trying to "help" and giving me shit advice. My nipple riipped so badly from one bad latch that I was in tears and my DS was screaming and the bitch kept telling me "oh, it hurts a little, but ok" WTF! I ended up with a 3mm laceration hat didn't START to heal until DS was 10 weeks. And she was the nurse that was suggested to help with BF. I know that there are nurses that aren't like that, but her and a few other pushy and judgemental nurses really gave them a bad name.
    I'm 12 weeks with baby #2 and I plan on delivering at the same hospital (in Canada). My doctor knows the hell I went through with DS and I have an amazing LC that I worked with. I plan on telling the hospital when I fill in my registration papers that I do plan on BFding. That I had a horrible time in the past, and I do not want help from anyone unless they are a certified LC. I will bring in my own (and pay out of pocket) if need to.



    This is  a good plan.

    I don't know what is the norm in hospitals these days.  I haven't had to deal w/that in almost fifteen years.  What is normal?  How much are nurses trained as far as lactation help goes?  How many hospitals have actual, certified Lacation Consultants on staff and available? 

    I hope things have improved since I was having babies.   I had 2 very different experiences six years apart.  The second time around I was successful and didn't have any problems with nurses "sabotaging" breastfeeding or giving bad advice because I was all crazy-warrior-mommy due to my experiences from DS1.  I basically didn't let my baby out of my sight and told anyone who came in my room with dumb advice to go away. LOL.

    With my firstborn (20 years ago!) they seemed to do everything possible to work against me trying to nurse him. They put off bringing me a breast pump to the point that I was engorged and in pain but I couldn't get up and do anything about it. Then when I did start pumping, he had to spend 2 weeks in the NICU, they left my breast milk in the freezer and gave him formula anyway.  Once I was mobile I would go to the NICU to nurse him every 2 or 3 hours and I would arrive only to find they had "just given him a bottle" even though I was right down the hall, they couldn't be bothered to wait a few or come get me.   I honestly left that hospital HATING nurses and doctors!

    I don't think any of this kind of policy change does any good if hospitals are not providing QUALITY breastfeeding help.  It does no good to have nurses encourage breastfeeding without giving them the proper education.  One well meaning nurse who has no clue about proper positioning can screw everything up.  Ditto not understanding the risks of nipple confusion, etc. 

    If we aren't providing women with excellent and accurate advice, policies about formula gifts or requesting it or whatever are stupid and pointless.  

    Like I said, I hope things have changed, but in my day (and I am old), someone bearing an RN or MD after their name didn't mean shit when it came to knowing about human lactation and successful breastfeeding.  


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  • LiveLoveLaughLiveLoveLaugh
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    Wow! This is ridiculous! My plan was to breast feed my son but the night i got home from the hospital i was so tired and stressed that my son was not latching on. I had a total melt down. Thank god for the formula bottles the hospital gave us or my son would have starved! Well not really lol but they were nice to have on hand for emergencies like that. What a moron this man is!
  • littlebitz
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    Mah. I breastfed DS for a full year and he is always getting a cough, cold, ear infection, etc. Only breastfed DS for about 6 months and she is healthy as a horse. So much for breath is best. Still convinced it contributed to my PDD too.
  • Charlotte_SometimesCharlotte_Sometimes
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    Mah. I breastfed DS for a full year and he is always getting a cough, cold, ear infection, etc. Only breastfed DS for about 6 months and she is healthy as a horse. So much for breath is best. Still convinced it contributed to my PDD too.



    I understand why you'd make that conclusion but it might just be a case of "how much worse would it be if I hadn't breastfed"....   

    A friend of mine's daughter is allergic to everything under the sun.  Seasonal allergies, food allergies (lots of deadly ones), but the docs always told her that she'd have been much WORSE off if she'd formula fed and in fact she would have had to have donor milk the first year anyway at least, she was so allergic that there would not have been any formula out there she'd have been able to tolerate!  :)    Kids / people just seem to have differing "constitutions", that's all.
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  • SerendipitySerendipity
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    I am so effing sick of everyone pushing the BF feeding.  I tried my damnedest with my 2.  I went to every LC in the hospital I delivered in, called the hotline, and went to about everyone in this city.  Everyone saw me naked trying to figure out why and how our latch was wrong and why my kids were losing weight.  I nursed every hour, then pumped and was thrilled if I got 2 oz.  That's about all I could manage and both my boys were 9 pounders.  That was not cutting it.  I have cried over breast milk spilled on my floor when I knocked over the precious 2 oz that I could get.  I took fenugrek (made me smell like a moldy lawn), reglan (made me fell shaky and insane) and every other herbal remedy any one possibly mentioned and made myself sicker than a dog.  I had thrush.  I had torn nipples.  I had blisters in places you are NOT supposed to have blisters.  You name it, I had it.  I fully believe this contributed to my PPD because I felt like such a failure.  Animals could do this, and I couldn't.

    Finally when our dr. sat me down and we had to supplement after my oldest lost 2 lbs from birth weight.  Even after we started with formula, I would pump and give him what I could then the rest formula.  Pumping made me hurt like a bitch and made me feel like a Guernsey.  Then I had one of my friends inform me I was giving my baby "toxic waste".  That also helped my PPD immensely.  Trying to BF my boys was the single most isolating experience I have ever had in my life.

    Yes, back in the olden days there was no formula.  There were wet nurses and a lot of kids who died.  You can't tell me that this didn't happen then too.  We couldn't have all of the sudden come up with all these "defective mothers"-  words of the La Leche League women I met with, not mine.

    Yes, breast is best.  I get that.  I've been hit over the head with that.  I couldn't do it.  I did everything humanly possible.  It doesn't make me a bad mother.  I've had to tell myself this over and over, and I still have trouble believing it. Shit like this, does not help.

    Sorry about the rant.  This strikes a nerve with me.
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
    Posts: 471Member
    @Serendipity, it did with me, too. I went through almost exactly what you described. It IS isolating, I felt horrible guilt, and like I had already managed to fuck up my babies futures. It's bullshit. Mayor Bloomberg made himself a target for me. If I had precise aim, I'd nail him in the balls. Every day. For the recommended 6 months.
  • GirdyOleeGirdyOlee
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    Oh, and a big ol' hug... >:D< ... we aren't defective. We're just as awesome as any breast feeding guru. JUST AS GOOD!!! And our babies are going to grow up to be amazing, too.
  • LLBLLB
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    Ok im gonna come in from the other side of the fence.

    My twins were born after 24+ hours of back labor, 3 hours of pushing, tearing extensively and I hemmoraged after their birth.

    I was actually encouraged to feed them formula! They gave my babies a bottle without my permission! My milk never came in properly, my babies couldn't latch properly, I was an exhausted mess! So I gave in and let them have bottles during their hospital stay just so they would shut the hell up about me starving my babies. I was never offered any help other than by my mom which felt too awkward. Not sure why I felt weird about her seeing my boobs when she had just watched 2 babies come out of my body but I did!

    I wanted to breastfeed I tried everything! Ended up feeding my babies 50/50 expressed breast milk and formula for their first year despite being told on multiple occasions to "just give it up and formula feed exclusively". I just never produced enough which I blame on the fact that the nurses basically crammed formula down my babies throats.

    My point? That nurses can be just as judgey and pushy to moms that want to breastfeed their babies! I don't see how putting formula under lock and key and interrogating women that ask for a bottle will make formula feeding mommies want to breastfeed. But maybe this will help the mommies that truly want to breastfeed from being bullied into formula...
  • DontpooponthedogDontpooponthedog
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    @Serendipity and @GirdyOlee- thank you so much.  When I made a mention that I believe my PPD developed due to trying to breastfeed-I was told I was imagining things because breastfeeding is proven to release hormones to prevent it.  My daughter had a large overbite and couldn't latch properly.  My LC said my baby had a "lazy suck reflex" because she constantly tried to nurse for 2 hours straight and was still hungry.  She lost so much weight she was admitted into the NICU.  My LC walked up to me and told me if I "tried harder to nurse" my baby wouldn't be in the NICU.  I took from her "talk" that I was a breastfeeding failure and I almost killed my baby.

    My point is-yes, breastfeeding is hard...it doesn't always come naturally for mom or baby and even if it does-there are still obstacles.  I can understand the idea behind Bloomberg's proposal, but (like someone said prior) women are all ready in a very hormonal and vulnerable state. I tend to think most moms know "breast is best" so the constant "talks" are too much.  These babies tend to take 9 months to cook, so instead of making a mandate for hospitals, why not encourage OB's and midwives to ask their patients if they plan on breastfeeding and find out why not if the patient isn't willing to try.  Pregnancy exams are pretty damn intimate and are numerous so I think many women would be willing to listen to their OB/midwife than to listen to a person whom they just met because the OB/midwife already has complete trust from mom.